Decided to start a series on booking United flights, where each post is specific to flying to a certain region. Europe being often the most popular and in some ways the easiest, it seems like a good place to start.
So if you want to maximize or spice up your Europe trip, I’ve got a few dozen suggestions. But I’ll try to keep my best examples and concepts laid out in this post.
A flight from the US to Europe is typically 60,000 miles in economy (100k/135k for biz/first). We’ll talk about booking a ticket, finding availability, routing rules, stopovers, and making a Europe trip into a global trip. I’ll start with stopovers and kind of work backwards.
Stopovers
Some quick definitions here.
A stopover is an indefinite break in the itinerary that turns a layover into a second destination. They can be as long as they want.
An open-jaw is a part of the ticket where the airline is not responsible for your transportation. It is when you fly into one airport and out of another in a different city.
A layover is a connection in the itinerary under 24 hours.
You have plenty of places that you can see on the way to Europe, but first I’ll just mention that of course, you can stopover in Europe. It doesn’t matter what two destinations you want to see. Backtracking is irrelevant both on the US and European side, just pick two places and go.
You get one stopover and you get two open-jaws on roundtrip tickets. If you really want to maximize this, look up the price of discount airliners. Say you want to see four cities in Europe: London, Paris, Budapest and Rome. The obvious thing to do would be to look for discount airline flights between London and Paris, and then Budapest and Rome. So you fly into London and out of Paris.
But really, ignoring for a second the geographical convenience of doing it this way, you could go about it any way you would like. Check the prices from Rome to London and then Paris to Budapest. Or Check prices from Budapest to London and then Paris to Rome. Whatever. Once you have found some cheap flights that work for filling in the gaps created by open-jaws, go ahead and book your United flight accordingly.
If you found discount airline flights from London to Paris for cheap, and then Rome to Budapest, I would book my United ticket as follows:
- US to London
- Paris to Rome
- Budapest to the US
This way you have two stops and one open-jaw on each.
Besides open-jaws within Europe, the world is really your playground. Unfortunately, Europe isn’t the most powerful zone so combining with others makes the price go up. Regardless, we’ll talk about all the options.
Stopover in North America
You can have a stopover [almost] anywhere in the US or Canada (excluding Alaska and Hawaii). Again, for the most part, it doesn’t matter where as international flights have region rules. But the routing rules for what does and doesn’t work within the US is a post for another day.
Unfortunately, you can no longer route through the Caribbean or Central America on the way to Europe. This is new to me, and quite unfortunate. Yet, it makes sense as there are very few direct routes (like FRA – MEX). But it’s especially a bummer since they took away routing through South America too. But we’ll survive.
And other than not being able to combine Europe with Oceania and Australia (technically), you can do nearly anything else.
When starting in the US, you can combine Europe as a stopover (the yellow pin in the pics below) with any of the following regions (displayed with the blue pin):
North Africa for a price of 40,000 miles each way.
South Africa for 40,000 miles each way.
North Asia for 32,500 miles each way.
Central Asia for 40,000 miles each way.
South East Asia for 32,500 miles each way.
And Japan for 32,500 miles each way.
So again, you can make Europe a stopover on the way to any of these places. It doesn’t matter where, or your routing (for the most part). You can stop on the way there or on the way back. Things don’t matter much as long as one stop is in Europe and one stop is in the other region.
As mentioned, each one of these blue-pinned places would be the destination, and therefore cost a higher amount listed above each picture.
If you want to go to Africa, you’re paying 80,000 miles roundtrip but one of the ways you can stopover in Europe. So Chicago to Capetown could have a stopover in Paris. Further more, you have two open-jaws left. This means that you could fly into Paris and out of another airport, like London.
Again, it doesn’t matter if you backtrack or not, it is completely determined by region. So you could fly into Istanbul and then out of Helsinki, despite it being further away or apparently backtracking.
If you want to go to Southeast or North Asia, or Japan, you can also create a stopover in Europe. The good news here is that it’s barely any more expensive. A flight to stop in both Europe and this part of Asia would be merely 65,000 miles (instead of 60,000 miles). First Class is no more expensive or 2,500 miles more, and Business Class often 10,000 miles more. This is a stellar value.
A flight to Bali could have a stopover in Paris too. But one more thing I’ll add in this example, not only can you add an open-jaw in Paris (so you fly out of London), but you can add one in your destination as well.
In this case you could fly into Bali and out of Kuala Lumpur, and similarly find a cheap flight on AirAsia to get you from Bali to Malaysia. But again, it doesn’t matter it’s a region thing. You can fly anywhere in Asia and out of anywhere else.
In the Middle East and Central Asia you will find the same rules and the more expensive 80,000 mile roundtrip price, like Africa. But you could create a stopover in Paris on the way to Delhi, and you’ll essentially pay for a Delhi trip.
Getting to the point
All these principles are applicable by region. I say that you can stopover in Paris on the way to Bali… but that is hardly the point. The point is that you can stop anywhere in Europe on the way to anywhere in SE Asia. Same with any of the regions mentioned in the pictures above.
Similarly, you can open-jaw anywhere in the region (sometimes outside the region too). This means that you can open-jaw not just from Paris to London… but from Moscow to Barcelona.
And on the other end you can open-jaw anywhere in SE Asia. Bangkok to Bali, or Phucket to Saigon… it doesn’t matter.
What’s illegal?
There are a few “illegal” regions that can’t be combined with Europe, like Oceania. The only way to get around this is a rather large open-jaw. For example, if you fly US to Europe and made Paris your destination, by continuing your flight from India. In other words, Paris and Delhi are your destinations, but it’s just split by an open-jaw. You can now add a stopover in Oceania on your way back from Delhi. Because as far as the computer is concerned, it’s pricing India to the US and the rules there would allow Oceania.
This is a hard concept to tackle on this post, but if you’re really interested you can read the United’s Stopover and Routing Rules post. It’s overly in depth.
Availability
Star Alliance availability to Europe is pretty stellar. But of course summer for any airline from the US to Europe is huge, especially July and August. The earlier you can book a ticket for this time the better. Unless you just are completely flexible.
I will say, sometimes tickets open up last minute. If you are particularly a first class junkie, one of the best ways to get across the pond is changing your ticket last minute for Lufthansa First Class. You’ll have to pay a change fee given that they usually only open up the couple weeks before a flight.
Unfortunately, there aren’t a ton of other first class products to get across the atlantic. Swiss doesn’t open up to United and I’d rather fly Austrian’s new business class than pay for United’s First, but that might just be me. And United First is one of the only options far in advance.
Business Class on Star Alliance is nothing short of plenty to Europe, at least from the east coast. Air Canada, Austrian, Brussels, Lufthansa, Swiss and Turkish all have good business class products. As always, some products are better than others. Newer bigger planes, tend to have newer better seats.
From the west coast, business class is shorter in general, as you are mostly relying on United to get you to a place that these European airlines fly, or the west coast space is less often and more competitive.
Note that United doesn’t currently show Brussels or it’s non Star Alliance partner, Aer Lingus on it’s online search engine.
Booking & Fees
Most flights can be booked online by simply checking “Award Travel”. Tickets with stopovers or open-jaws must be booked by using the Multiple Destinations tool. It’s pretty intuitive (for the most part) as you just put in the dates you want and the destinations you want. But if you’d like to read a step by step, read How to Book United Stopovers.
- $75 close-in fee for booking within 21 days of travel
- $25 booking fee for booking over the phone
- $100 change fee for changing your ticket within 21 days or for changing the destination
Conclusion
You can work in a stopover anywhere in Europe and it won’t change the price at all. Working in stopovers is possible on the way to any other region, but you are essentially making Europe your stopover and the other region your destination. That’s just semantics and the meaning is that you’ll end up paying for whatever region you combine with – Asia, Africa, or the Middle East.
Making a Europe trip a stopover on the way to Southeast Asia is an incredible value as it’s just a few miles more. And while there’s no bad use here, think about this: AA and USA are offering “off-peaks” to Europe for 40,000 miles. Lufthansa is 50,000 miles, and many other airlines have deals too. So why use United miles to Europe?
For me, it’s because you can open-jaw and stopover in Europe or elsewhere. Using United miles gives you an advantage, a way to see more places… if you aren’t going to use that, collect AA miles.
Thanks for the info. So if you had to fly to Europe out of west coast on UA, would you take UA first across pond, or transcont to east coast for OS business class?
Well, on ua… hmm. Yea, I’d say if all the time is the same, and if it wouldn’t ruin my sleep, I’d try OS biz. But if it’s any longer, or cuts into my sleep, I’d do UA biz if it’s lieflat.
But I wouldn’t pay more for UA F than OS new business class, OS is available.
But I’m cheap, like sleep, and otherwise like to break up a flight cuz I hate sitting.
Thanks, 35k xtra per person are hard to justify! But we’ll have a 10 month old with us and the extra space might be nice. Maybe I’ll book OS J and switch to LH 1st if it opens up.
That is not a bad plan.
I think United.com displays Aer Lingus award seats now on their search engine
Aw, yes, it does show certain routes. But it doesn’t have all their flights loaded, just us to DUB. I wonder if you can only redeem on those flights…
Drew,
This was very helpful. Can you let me know if this routing is legal?
DTW-IAD-FRA-ZRH (Stopover) FRA-CDG-BKK (Destination) CDG-FRA-DTW
I tried to book this a month ago and the computer couldn’t price this. The computer was able to price the trip if I took out the FRA to ZRG leg. The agent said that I could do this because I was flying from FRA again on my way to BKK.
I see, you’re trying to force the FRA layover or not? If you aren’t forcing the FRA layover, I can verify that it’s 100% bookable. However, getting it to book with a layover is kind of a science I haven’t figured out. Sometimes I can force layovers and sometimes I can’t. The problem with online search is that you only have so many seconds for results, and adding a leg adds to the number of searches.
But I can also verify that 3 layovers at FRA is bookable, my friend just something like that. But it was unforced layover.
Drew, thanks. I would like to arrive in FRA in the morning and leave on the first flight possible to ZRH. So no layover in FRA. The stopover would be in ZRH for a week for a ski holiday in Switzerland and then return to FRA on my own dime before leaving for BKK. The whole booking process was frustrating as I wanted to l return from BKK via the pacific, but wasn’t allowed because the agent’s computer wouldn’t price the ticket. Tried about five different agents before giving up,
So I don’t know what to make of this as United hasn’t clarified things but they may have just started a rule that restricts the number of connections each way to 3. 3 connections or 4 segments each way. If this is true… you’ll be running into this wall!
This could be bad news for these multi-layover routes.
Clear, concise, incredibly useful post that is applicable to MANY travelers–bravo!
Thanks bluecat, always good to hear from you. Also curious where your from/if we cross paths ever. Since we apparently have similar travel styles. 😉
Do you have to go over the same ocean both times? i.e. could I book East Coast to Europe to Japan to West Coast to East Coast for 65,000?
Believe it or not, that’s preferred route from United. Someone was just saying on the routing rules post that they wouldn’t let them book if they crossed both oceans claiming it’s a round the world trip. So anyways, yea… the prefer you go back that way. Not logical, but certainly can benefit us.
I have already booked a simple award redemption east coast-europe and back for Christmas. Can I make changes to the reservation and tack on a free one way on my return down to Florida later next year? Or do I need to call and pay fees? Or not possible at all?
So changes to a reservation are free as long as it’s 21 days before travel starts. However, you aren’t technically allowed to change the starting/ending point and destination, I don’t think. But you can always ask, go through the motions and see if they charge. If so bail. But you can surely add a stopover in Europe, but I would try.
I believe United just changed the fee structure so that all changes greater than 21 days out are $75. Even if origin and dest stay same.
Oh dern, you’re right! That is a real bummer. Now it’s $75 more than 21 days, and $100 within 21 days. If you have any status at all though it’s free… But yea. For got about that. Thanks
http://www.united.com/web/en-US/content/mileageplus/awards/travel/ticketing.aspx
I don’t know how many would want to do the open jaws – how many have the flexibility/time to stopover for any length of time.
I’m retired, but I’m not interested in a stopover in Europe on my way to SE Asia – I want to get off that pressurized tin can (however nice the seat) and get to my destination as fast/comfortable/least hassle as possible.
Way too many think “going places” is the equivalent of “traveling” – all it is, is going places for the sake of going places. How many FF twerps brag, er, tell you they’ve been in a 100+ countries? But how many know a damn thing about 95+ of those countries other than what they’ve gleaned from few tourist attractions? It’s pathetic.
I totally agree with you Paul. I say there’s a difference between transport and travel. That’s just my way of saying flying isn’t travel but getting to know a culture and a place, now that’s travel.
So I have to admit I’m a slow traveler. Like when we went to China we spent 2 weeks in this little (in China standard) town for a couple weeks with friends, and it was an experience and yet we never really saw any tourist attractions there. Although we say other things in China later…
But I don’t like to say that I do travel better than other people because I do it slow. It’s kind of a to each his own, but I personally love getting to know cultures and history of places.
I think you’d be surprised though how many people want to learn more about this, and how many emails I get about it. I think it does mean that you get to see more places. Whether or not you get to know them is kind of up to the traveler. Depends on how they do it I guess.
But it’s important to know you can “stopover” for as long as you want in Europe on the way to Asia. So if you’re going to see both, it’s not more time on a plane… it’s probably less! So if you’re going to do both, I recommend you use a stopover Paul. 😉
Thanks for your comment!
Drew
A key is that a 22-hour layover does allow you to sample a place, see a few highlights and get an impression as to whether you want to go back again later for a “slow” visit. A nice thing about this hobby is that the phrase “trip of a lifetime” can be retired. You can always go back if you want to.
Well, I have to agree with that too. I have no problem sampling, if you will, cities. If I like it I’ll go back for much longer.
However, I don’t see something for 20 hours and check it off my list and pretend I know what that country is like.
Hi, i want to know whats wrong with this routing. United wont let me do it. Sfo-icn-crk, mnl-icn-lhr, cdg-ord-sfo.
I’m guessing it’s an availability issue as it’s a legal routing. Unless you are forcing the ICN layover, it might not like that but if you are doing SFO-CRK, MNL-LHR, CDG-SFO. But I took a quick look at the route for a year out almost and it booked out, so it’s probably availability issue. Whether it’s actual or because the search times out, can’t say.
Doing dummy searches last week, I saw lots of Aer Lingus options bookable on united.com.
Never mind, I didn’t notice the previous post 😐
Drew, how does united.com determine which airport is the stopover and which one is the destination? Is that solely based on the concept of more “powerful zone”? That more “powerful zone” is the destination and less “powerful zone” is a stopover? Thanks a lot
Never mind, just saw related post. Thanks again.
Think this ? got lost to the ether…but could I do this on one award + free ow?
NRT-SFO (Stop)
SFO-FRA (Open Jaw)
LHR-SFO (Open Jaw)
So it’s a good idea and all but it’s not a legal routing. What you’re trying to do really is Japan to Europe via US… and as far as I know it’s not a legal routing. It would only be available as a oneway nrt-sfo and then a roundtrip from US to Europe, but those are separate tickets.
The idea is that Japan is a more powerful zone that Europe when leaving from the US. This means that if you do US to Japan via Europe it will just be a Europe ticket. And going home the same. This would be legal if it were Japan to US via Europe. So NRT – FRA – SFO, SFO – LHR or SFO – NRT. So because Japan and US is a more powerful combo, Europe needs to be a stopover not US. Hope that makes sense…
Makes sense. Thanks.
I tried this on United.com and I got an Error message.
SFO—London , Paris—–Hong Kong, Hong Kong—-SFO
This can be done through United web site, right? or do I need to speak to an agent?
Thanks for the new idea.
Can for sure be done online, but it’s giving an error because of availability. United.com will search for a minute and then quit. So if it didn’t find seats in that time… it gives an error. So you can try changing the dates or piecing it together with oneways and then call.
Great stuff, you’ve become one of my favorite writers about miles etc.
Blogger Wandering Aramean just reported that an internal United memo sets new limits for award flights over Europe to Southeast Asia to only 3 connections. What is your take on this?
Thanks WalterJ, that’s great to hear!
Very interesting.
Thanks for the info, just read it.
If that’s true: 1) bummer 2) there may be small ways around it online and 3) I can be fine with 3 connections each way. 4 segments each way is fine with me is enough for almost all of my tickets.
However, still a bad sign…
Thanks for the headsup!
I LOVE YOUR BLOG! I just started reading it today and I’ve spent over 8 hours at work just reading through the different links! It’s awesome!
Pretty please – was wondering if you could do the same for travels from Asia??
Awesome. Thanks Amy. Hope your boss doesn’t read this comment. :-p
I will do a US to Asia post. And fyi, the rules from US to Asia are the same as Asia to Europe.
US to Asia via Africa will net the same price as Asia to US via Africa, right?
However, Asia to Africa via Europe might not work out the same as US to Africa via Europe. Or whatever… rules are different when starting in different places.
Does this work on 1 reward round trip ticket? I will be in Singapore for a bit but live in LA. My trip would start in SIN and it doesn’t have to end in LA but I would love to visit HKG, NRT, and ICN.
SIN- HKG
HKG – NRT
ICN – LAX
So are you saying that you’ll be returning to SIN as this doesn’t look like a roundtrip?
I won’t be returning to SIN. I will in SIN for business but wanted to take some time off to travel around Asia and return to LAX (home). Did that make sense? How shall I make it into a roundtrip?
Sent an email, tell me more.
Can you please tell me if this route would work? I get an error message when I try to search all three together, but I found availability on each one separately. Thank you!
LAX-MUC
MUC-FCO
CDG-LAX
Very legal route. Although I hear that you can’t have more than 4 segments each way now… :-/ This is word on the street. But if that’s not the issue, then you should totally be able to book that over the phone.
Thanks for your help! I’m not sure if this is the right place to ask, but I had found a flight from LAX to YYZ in economy award saver and there was lot of space, but now when I search, it is only available in business/first. It was never available as a business/first award saver ticket. Do you think there was a mistake and it should really be an economy ticket? Is it likely that it will come back? Thanks again for your help.
Hard to say. Availability can change so quickly. It depends on how far out it is to. ExpertFlyer can set up alerts though for the seat. Although its about the most un-user friendly website ever.
Can the stopover be at the end of a flight and do you have to return to your original airport that you left the US from? Example;
IAH-DTW-FRA-MXP-(open jaw) NAP-MUC-CLT-MSY-HNL
( stop over)
For future reference; have you considered offering a travel service that is fee based?
I live in New Zealand but travel to the US regularly.
Is it possible to do
SFO>MAD (open jaw)
ZRH>BKK (stop over)
BKK>AKL (destination)
I’ve verified there is Award Availability for each hop, but the website throws an error.
Assuming this would be priced as a one-way from SFO to AKL, so 67500 all up?
Is there a smarter, more creative way to do this?
Hey Jesse!
I sent you an email outlining how you could do this exact ticket for only 47,500 United miles.
But I just wanted to note that normally you have to have roundtrips to allow a stopover. And also note that an open-jaw does not create a stop but can be added to a stopover (stopover, destination or home).
Thanks,
Drew
Hi Drew,
I am trying to book this on united.com but keep getting error, can you help me to verify it’s a valid routing so that I will call in:
1. PDX-SEA-NRT-SIN (stopover for few days)
2. SIN-PVG (destination)
3. PEK-ICN (open jaw)
4. NRT-LAX-PDX
Thanks!
Z
Hey Zenr,
The big thing that I failed to explain well, is that open-jaws can not create a stop, but rather can be added to a stop. For example, you can not have the 3rd stop between ICN/NRT because you’ve already used both the stopover and destination.
Also, there are rumors that United is not limiting segments to 3 connection. So this may be one over… but this is very recent news. But if so it means that the stops/layover between stop and destination will be limited to 3. Does not include start and destination though.
Hope that helps.
Im still very much a novice when it comes to trying to maximize the miles used for a European trip. I typically pay for one trip out of pocket and then the following year I use the reward miles for a “free” trip. So essentially every other year I do a reward trip. Couple that with bonus miles accumulated from new credit cards (it was the crazy 100k bonus on BA in 2009 and last year I got the 50k bonus for getting a united airlines cc).
So right now I am sitting on roughly 210k miles for United (135k in my account and 75k in my wife’s account). We are wanting to do a big trip this coming April/May/June (fairly flexible on when) for a 2 week-ish trip. We’ve narrowed our selection down to either a European trip. Which would allow us to maximize our miles the most?
With these stop overs and open-jaws, can you do it with business class as well?
Would I be able to put together a nice trip not leaving from a hub? It seems no matter where Im looking to go United wants to route me through LAX/SFO, ORD or Washington DC. Would I need to find a way to get there on my own or can the first leg be from one of my more local airports? I have easy access to either ICT, TUL or OKC. Would either of these options be possible? (the multiple destination thing is not giving me any information when searching on UA’s website):
(let’s assume Im starting from Tulsa, OK)
TUL -> ORD (or whichever big hub the reward flights take us through)
ORD -> MAD (stay in Madrid for several days)
find our own travel from Madrid to Barcelona
BCN-> MUC (final destination I suppose)
find our own trasportation from Munich to Frankfurt
FRA -> ORD
ORD -> TUL
Im probably overthinking this…..
For sure. You can do this in any class.
You certainly don’t have to start or stopover, or go to a hub. Any airport is fine. However, they now seem to limit routes to 3 connections. Or this is the word on the street. This would mean 4 segments each direction. Otherwise, it doesn’t matter where you start.
And the route you have (which likely doesn’t need to start in TUL (as there are only 2 connections) is a valid route. You’ve got the concept of stopovers and open-jaws. So at this point, it’s just picking where you’d like to go. 😉
Hi Drew!!!
I am trying to do a booking on United.com but keep getting errors.
I want to go from BOS to ATH, roundtrip. However, I’d like to add a stopover in Capetown (CPT), South Africa. It doesn’t matter if it is on the way there, or back.
Is this a legal booking:
BOS-IST // ATH-CPT, stopover, CPT-BOS
I can find a flight IST-ATH no problem intra europe.
Totally a legal route, which likely means that United can’t find the seats in the amount of time it gives the computer… or there’s not availability. I say piece it together or give it a call.
Hey man, this blog is simply amazing, I have to thank you for the next trip I’m going, the 65k southeast asia tip was simply awesome.
My wife and I are going to the Maldives with open-jaw in Singapure and stop-over in Phuket.
MCO-MLE
MLE-SIN
HKT-MCO
Plus 12h+ layovers in Vienna and Frankfurt!!!
We are brazilians and I’m planing on sharing these amazing tips of yours in a new blog we are creating!
Btw, now I’ve to learn those hotels for free with price matching 😀
Cheers!
Thanks Jefferson! That sounds like an amazing trip and well used open-jaw/stopover.
All the work was done by you man. Enjoy the trip… as if that will be hard.
Hello,
Thanks for the useful info!
Can you tell me if this is possible?
NYC- IST
IST- PEK?
Not sure about the return segment, but can’t seem to get a route that does not send me backto the states after Europe.