The US Airways/American Airline merger might be up in the air so it’s anyone’s guess as to how this unfolds. So I figured I’d talk about the Pacific Hopper using US Airways miles while it for sure still exists.
The Pacific Hopper is the flight we did from Guam to Rarotonga, Cook Islands via Singapore, New Zealand, Sydney, Tokyo and more. South Pacific to South Pacific is 30,000 miles in Business class for a roundtrip! We paid 40,000 miles to do it using United miles.
The roundtrip is 30,000 miles, and not only is it cheaper (you get enough miles to do it with one credit card bonus), but it can start and end in more places. See, with United it says Oceania to Oceania. But US Airways’ award regions say South Pacific – which includes Australia and New Zealand along with all the Pacific islands.
This essentially means that you don’t have to start from a small island like Fiji or Guam. Instead you could start in New Zealand and end in Micronesia (like Palau, Yap, or Guam). So you get one stopover as well. So you could possibly make it in Asia or Australia. Or if you are going to Yap, you could possibly stopover in Guam.
Why we started in Guam
On the flip side, I kind of like starting in Micronesia (islands south of Japan) and heading to Polynesia (islands in the middle of the Pacific between Australia and South America), with a stopover in Australia or New Zealand, for a few reasons.
For starters, it might be easier to set up. Getting to many of the polynesian islands can be even harder to get to using other miles. And when you are using Star Alliance miles you need to route through New Zealand anyways.
But with American Airline miles (or any OneWorld program) you can get at least get to Guam and Palau on Japan Airlines… which is a lot better than the Polynesian options with OneWorld. The point is that you should leave that South Pacific part to US Airways miles.
The other reason I like to start in Micronesia is simply because we routed through Japan on the way back. And when I say we routed through Japan, what I mean is that our flight went back to Guam without us. Flights back to the US are way cheaper from Japan. And if you hit AA’s off peak pricing for Japan, the price of an economy ticket is only 25,000 miles.
Actually, this works with South Korea too. If you fly from South Korea or Japan to North America between October 1st and April 30, you get the off peak award price, which is 25,000 miles (instead of 32,500 miles).
I see no reason not to get off the plane in one of these countries and forfeit the rest or your return ticket. After all, prices are cheaper and it sees a new place. Plus, US Airways does not allow an open-jaw and stopover like United. This means that you have to return to the island you started from. Which would be fine if you weren’t just there. Regardless, we booked a flight from Tokyo home.
First class is only 40,000 miles roundtrip! Why not do that?
I mean sure. Flying Asiana or Thai First Class would be nice. However, it could be tough to find for this route because of the flights that you’ll be putting together.
We started out on Asiana’s A330 from Saipan to Seous, which doesn’t even have first class. So right away that flight doesn’t have first class. Also, to get to any Polynesian island, you pretty much have to fly on Air New Zealand. While Air New Zealand has a stellar business class, it’s only a two class cabin – meaning, there is no first class. So half of your flights might not even have the option.
The other thing to know is that if you fly first class on one leg and the rest business class, you pay for first class that entire half of the trip. So if you flew from Guam to Australia and the Bangkok to Sydney flight was first class, you would pay more.
If you want the technical pricing; it is by halves, as I always say. So Guam to Sydney is one half and the return is the other. Technically the price is in roundtrip but half the price for each half of the trip. Guam to Sydney in first class (if even for a segment) is 20,000 miles – half of 40,000. And if the return is all in business, that would be 15,000 miles – half of 30,000. Together the price is 35,000 miles for one-way to be first.
However, if you see First Class space from South Korea to Australia or New Zealand, it could be worth it. Those are by far going to be your longest legs. It’s 10 hours minimum. Via Singapore it’s like 14 hours. Is it worth 5,000 miles extra, each way, to be in First Class instead of Business for 10 to 14 hours? I’d say so. If you find that much first class.
The best bet of first class in this mess of a trip is probably going to be on Thai Airways on their 747s, which they run from Bangkok to Sydney regularly (which is 9 hours?). The problem is that from Seoul they run their 777s. The 773 doesn’t have first class and the 77w only has 8 suites, instead of 14 first class seats on the 747.
Similar problems when routing from Japan, although you have more options. Thai will also run their A340, which is the same situation as the 777s. And ANA is running their 767s to BKK without first class. Over all, I’d say it’s tough.
However, there are examples of successful finds, and it might be worth jumping on. Especially since I can not particularly sleep well on Thai’s 747 business class. It’s like sleeping standing up.
Booking
Of course, with US Airways you have to call anything in as their online search engine is worthless. Instead I just search on United, especially since very few of these flights are United itself. However, United does consider Guam and Tokyo “hubs” and they do have flights that will come up. And sometimes United releases less seats to partners than they do to their own member. If you see a desired United flight, to make sure this would also be available to US Airways redemptions, check Aeroplan or ANA’s award search engine to see if they get those seats as well.
And just to clarify, the 5,000 mile discount advertised on the US Airways MasterCard, is only on US Airways flights. So don’t go expecting that when you redeem your flights on all these partners in first class that you’ll get an extra 5,000 mile discount.
Recap and what are the differences between the Pacific Hopper with USA and UA
There are only a few real differences when using US Airways miles to do the pacific hopper instead of United miles. Here are the main ones:
- The US Airways award chart is even more generous on this route. It’s 25k/30k/40k for economy/business/first.
- You can start or end in Australia or New Zealand (instead of making it just a stopover).
- US Airways does not allow a stopover and an open-jaw like United. This means that returning to the same starting point is essential if you use your stopover, which I recommend. Yet, you don’t really have to finish your ticket. But know if you miss one leg of your ticket, the rest is cancelled.
- US Airways’ website is useless. So searchings have to be done on other websites (like United) and booking has to be done online.
Still, there is much overlap. Many of the same principles found in the United post, The Pacific Hopper With Miles, can be used here. You need to find connections with less than 24 hours, and can take the same route – from Micronesia to Polynesia via Asia and Australia/New Zealand.
Anyways, this is such a great trip that I can’t imagine a better value of US Airways miles. It is not only an expensive ticket for little miles it’s just beautiful. You can view our photos form our trip here. Also, I would encourage using the Star Alliance route map. From there you might discover more beautiful places like Palau and Yap.
If I could get enough miles to do this trip again with the US Airways miles I would. Actually, I will.
Any questions?
Love this idea, but I actually want to visit each of the stops on your map, and not just for a few hours (but a few days, at least). If I understand correctly, I am limited to Guam and RAR, plus two more for longer term stays and the rest are 24 hours or less?
Sorry, I meant to say that you are limited to two “endpoints” (three, actually, if you dispose of the final leg out of Tokyo or Seoul) PLUS two additional stops, like Brisbane or Singapore. Is that right?
But, if I do an open jaw, say Port Vila and Fiji, then I would effectively get another long stop added, at the cost of me getting myself between these two “jaw points”. Is that right?
No, not including throw aways, you are allowed 1 stopover. And you are allowed a destination. So Guam (start) – New Zealand (Stop) – Rarotonga (destination).
As far as open-jaws… with United, it’s possible with US Airways, not. US Airways only allows a stopover OR open-jaw.
Otherwise you are limited to 24 hours.
how did you get to Guam ?
Used OW miles on JAL to get to Guam. And flew AA home from Tokyo.
Nice idea w/Port Vila/Nadi! Gonna try this, that flight OW is only $125, those flights are a paininthea$$ to get award availability. Did you end up booking something with this?
Can we say “boredom!”. Sure, you can fly to those destinations just to waste fuel (and points) and say you did it, but so what? What did you get other than a large dose of unnecessary radiation, a sore butt and mediocre food all the while cooped up in a pressurized tin can for a few dozen hours?
No thanks.
lol, I’m not sure if you’re joking or not.
But if you find spending two weeks in Guam/Saipan, two weeks in New Zealand, two weeks in the Cooke Islands and one week in Tokyo a boring trip… Well, you may consider turning your points into gift cards. Perhaps grocery gift cards. However, there is an aisle full of pressurized tins.
is there a limit on the number of segments United allow on a roundtrip from US to SAsia. I did a search for myself for the outbound and total about 7 segments. wonder if I could get away with it and thats not include my return flights yet.
Y tu senor, y tu?
@ Choi – Really, there isn’t. The computer doesn’t seem to block by segment numbers atm. The only variable will be the agent, lol.
@ TBB – Que?
I think TBB was expressing his disappointment that you put your affiliate link for the US Airways card, rather than the truly better 35k (and no annual fee 1st year) non-affiliate link.
Not judging here, just observing.
Well, if there is a 35k card that would be a good point. Can you post a link to the card/landing page below?
Thanks.
Hey, the link to the card is
https://www.barclaycardus.com/app/japply/WebAppGate.jsp?obchannel=057&browserUserAgent=Mozilla%2F5.0+%28Windows+NT+6.2%3B+WOW64%29+AppleWebKit%2F537.36+%28KHTML%2C+like+Gecko%29+Chrome%2F28.0.1500.95+Safari%2F537.36&campaignId=1695&clickid=&outboundAdLocation=031&sqGroup=20&prodidreq=CCMWC47808&obcreative=0000000&product.IowaEnable=false&partnerid=654&ibchannel=26&appcreative=01030&landcreative=000000&referrerid=&listid=&obadloc=031&landpage=00000&campaignid=0001695&prescreenId=&legacy=true
H/T: I got that link from One Mile at a Time’s post from a few days ago (He listed the card as #8) http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/08/19/10-best-credit-card-sign-up-bonuses-for-august/
The offer isn’t publicly advertised (at least I don’t think) and the bonus isn’t spelled out on the landing page. But there’s a fairly extensive FT thread about it. I successfully got the card.
PS thanks a lot for the pacific hopper post. I’m already going to Japan in the spring, so I’m definitely considering it.
And it’s waived for the first year he says. That is interesting, as I was thinking about getting this card soon. However, I don’t see any info regarding the 35k or the annual fee info on the page! That is so odd that a credit card doesn’t even have the annual fee mentioned, at all, on it’s application. Do you know of a landing page for it? He doesn’t seem to say.
Hey, looks like I didn’t scan the T&C closely enough.
They actually DO confirm 35k after first purchase, as well as no annual fee first year. (I actually didn’t know this when I applied, but took it on faith from other FT members).
Just click on the Terms and Conditions link at the top of the link in my previous comment.
Wow, I’m blind, it was on the top of the page. Indeed it verifies both. And it seems to come with all the other benefits. /\
Yea, to be honest, I can’t keep up with flyertalk anymore. It’s a mess. Milebuzz was my only forum and now it’s full of advice. Now I just stick to hotel deals and I always search for the hotel I’m going to stay at. That’s pretty much it. I’d probably do more manu spend if I was in the country.
Isn’t there any risk that US Airways could audit the ticket and charge you mileage for the itinerary actually flown rather than the itinerary booked if you don’t complete the trip to Guam? That would make a drastic difference in mileage since you can’t redeem one-way awards at half the price with US Airways miles.
Apart from this concern, I like the ideas and explanations. I’m hoping to do some traveling in that region next year.
1) Na. I’ve had things happen similar. Like British Airways didn’t charge me a single mile (they were miles back then not Avios) and when they realized, they just kinda said whatever. And it wasn’t because of an audit it was because I called to change the ticket.
Anywho
2) It IS the actual price of the ticket. Oceania to Oceania. US Airways is totally about the “destination” to figure out pricing… Regardless of where that destination is.
Help me to understand, since this is a trip I’m interested in. By leaving the itinerary in Japan aren’t you actually creating an open jaw in another region on a ticket that doesn’t permit both a stopover and an open jaw? My concern is that U.S. Airways could declare this an invalid routing, then reprice it by breaking it up into components. Am I missing something? Is there really no risk, or are you simply weighing it as low risk and willing to take your chances?
I recently dropped a final segment on a reward ticket when it didn’t suit me to fly it anymore, but in my case the pricing would have been the same or better had I originally booked it that way, so I didn’t see any concern. I guess I’m more risk averse than you when it comes to program rules. Thanks.
Certainly not. I’ve done this many times and did this exact route… I mean using United miles. But they don’t retroactively charge miles.
And they certainly are used to people missing flights. It happens all the time. Really, there is no risk.
Now if you miss a flight and you plan to fly more… you are screwed.
I think you may be incorrect regarding a stopover being allowed on a US Airways award ticket transiting solely within the South Pacific region. I tried to do the exact same thing last year by booking an award ticket within the South & Central Asia region (BKK-DEL[Stop]-DPS[Destination]) for 30k in Biz – was told by the agent(s) that stopovers are only allowed when transiting from one region to another region and would not be granted if I only transited a single region. I called 4 times and spoke to different agents and no one was willing to budge and allow me to ticket the award. I’m sure if I had the patience to keep calling I could have found an agent willing to do it, but I think you are incorrect in your assertion that this is a viable option unless playing call center roulette.
Hmm. When is that you called and tried? Recently?
I want to make sure I have the correct info out… As I know this has been booked, but it was quite a while ago. And you’re right, agent roulette is not how I want to spend my time.
You do have to change regions. Which is tricky as you do, but only to layover/stopover and it’s much more expensive.
However, they for sure allow open-jaws regardless of region changing.
So you can do things like open-jaw to the other side and make your destination Australia or New Zealand. So GUM – AKL – RAR as one ticket. … which is very different.
If I ve paid the entire roundtrip in Business but certain segment at the time of booking is in economy, however at a later date business seats open up, will they allow me to change without a fee ? both for US Air and United
They both should allow change of class. United needs to be 21 days before departure I think.
TIF – I called and tried to book this in December ’12 for travel in January ’13. I already had a separate UA award ticket I was going to book to get me to BKK. I was meeting a friend in BKK and wanted to book both of us US award tickets from BKK to DEL (stop) then to DPA (destination) then back to BKK. The US agents were not willing to let me book that. Instead, on my UA ticket I booked to BKK (stop) then to DPS (destination). I added a US award ticket from BKK to DEL to BKK to line up with my travel plans. For my friend, I booked BKK to DEL to DPS on the US ticket and then added him a UA one-way from DPS back to BKK. In the end, it cost me my stopover on my UA ticket (which I had planned to use somewhere else) and I also had to book my friend a one-way on UA to finish off his open jaw on the US ticket.
Excellent post! I have one question though. I thought that USAir only allowed a stop over if you are crossing a region. Your award is South Pacific to South Pacific so how are you able to pull this off? I didn’t think that layovers (under 24h) would count as crossing a region.
Sorry I just noticed there was a similar comment a couple above mine, further clarification would be great. I would think this would be an issue with the United pacific hopper route you posted as well.
I can 100% say that I booked this trip with United. I know people were doing it on US Airways around the same time, for cheaper. But until I have the miles I can’t test this with USA yet. However, Erik tried recently and said you can’t. I’m certain that a USA agent CAN, but perhaps they are being better trained. Who knows, but I hope to find out. YMMV.
Were you able to book this?
I thought US only allow open-jaw on intra-region awaard?