I was recently reminded of how other sites copying and pasting content (probably not knowing it’s my original wording) is a real thing for this site. This is relatively easy to prove, however, I’m kind of at a loss of what to do about it, or if I should care at all. Let me tell you why.
Yesterday I published a generic chart of airline stopover rules. I did this more than a year ago and noticed that this is what seems to me as my most stolen post. So for other bloggers who need stopover references, please use my content! I love it. But a friendly reminder, here’s the back link: http://travelisfree.com/2014/12/04/list-of-airline-stopover-routing-rules/
While this word for word copying has happened a few times, there is only one occasion where I brought it to the blogger’s attention. I think I was annoyed because there were multiple examples throughout the post that were a similar concept to my post. So I brought a singular example to the blogger, and this is why I never did it again:
First, I chose an example of word for word copying that I know was original to me because the wording I used was very different than wording buried in the terms and conditions of the german airline.
This isn’t the exact example I gave, but it was the same none the less. I summarized some of Air Berlin’s rules by saying, “one stopover within the origin zone”.
The key here is that this phase is not on Air Berlin’s website, and it’s not on flyertalk. YET, our blogs had word for word exact phrasing. Me saying it in 2013 and the other blogger in 2014. So I confronted the situation. Guess what I was told?
I received outright denial and was told, “But, you and I both know that most of the information to start with was derived from Flyertalk, as this is where I found the bulk of my information as I did the research.”
What the heck? That is such BS on so many levels.
First, what an insult to the work I do. Speak for your own quality, but copying and pasting from anonymous commenters on a forum comes nowhere near my standard for accuracy, quality, or originality. It’s insulting and completely untrue. I do not use flyertalk as a source, and haven’t gone to flyertalk when “researching” in years.
But the denial is absurd. We both used the exact same wording. WORD FOR WORD. And the crazy thing is that the rules were not only not on FlyerTalk (at the time of these articles at least), but they wouldn’t have had these phrasings anyway.
I’m not claiming to coin “origin zone” or “region of origin”, but that it’s unlikely to be only coincidence that they were used to describe a program that doesn’t use the terminology itself and that the phrasing choice was identical to mine. How can this possibly be denied? If it were a couple words, even then I would have been suspicious. Like, “okay, I guesss it’s possible that another person would have found the same information and picked the exact same term as I did to describe it.” I find that far-fetched especially since the author relies on FlyerTalk which I’m sure didn’t have the information.
Actually, that’s a good point. So now I’ve looked on flyertalk, and this information could not have been “researched” from flyertalk, because the information does not exist on flyertalk. (Even if it did, that wouldn’t make it reliable).
But what’s more odd, is that the author himself changed the wording in the post after our conversation. I put the post into Archive.org which shows how pages on the internet used to look. It appears that when he published the article he used the phrase I used, “within the origin zone” then changed it to the more common “within the region of origin” later. Why he felt the need to change it to a phrase not identical to mine well after originally posting it? Guess that’s a mystery.
I could go on and on with examples of how the JAL information was incomplete in the same ways that my post at the time was incomplete and didn’t bother to mention the very big difference between OneWorld flights and JAL flights. Or how I actually got some specific details wrong, and those details were identically wrong. But I was more concerned with exact phrasing copied.
But all that to say, when I called this person out on clearly stealing the exact same phrasing that I used, instead of saying, “good point, I’ll add a backlink”, he exclaimed how ludicrous my charges were. He went on to give examples of how “region of origin” was used elsewhere on the internet (although that’s the phrase he changed it to, but he doesn’t know that I know that). So he knows he’s guilty, but instead of getting a little bit of credit like I’d wish, it just became a combat zone, so I wasn’t going to push it further.
(Although funny story, in trying to prove that I didn’t coin the phrase of contention (which I didn’t claim, only that it’s not coincidence that we used it identically for Air Berlin), he ended up showing screenshots of multiple articles that were written by me!)
What The Point IS
This is typical, people compile information and maybe sometimes they don’t credit the source. Whatever. But when the content (and concept) is word for word jacked, I’m not flattered.
But what’s the big deal? Well, that’s my question to the reader as well. But first I should explain that besides ego (which I know I shouldn’t care about), the blogosphere depends upon “backlinks”. These not only drive traffic but reflect to google that it’s a trustworthy site that deserves more traffic. It’s how I make my living.
Don’t get me wrong, the incentive to do good work is first and foremost to create great content for the reader. I hope my hard work is not only evident but enjoyed and useful. But also the incentive is to be known as a knowledgable resource.
What The Point Is NOT
I don’t want to be so egotistical to think any site that talks about stopovers is stealing my content. I don’t want to go around accusing people of it either.
I also WANT other bloggers to use my content. Don’t get me wrong. I want people to write good blog posts that expand the hobby and use my information if it’s helpful. I encourage it. However, the selfish reason I want people to use my content is so I can get a backlink. Can’t lie.
And the point is not that most bloggers do this. Most bloggers (that I’ve met) do not have this attitude. And to go around claiming they do is misguided.
To me Gary Leff represents a type of blogger that does not see other bloggers as enemies. He backlinks very generously to other blogs with good content on a very regular basis and is known for that! I see this as a wise mature thing of him not [just] because it is probably best to build relationships with bloggers, but because he’s treating his audience with respect and giving them good content. You know that when you go to VFTW that you’ll get all the information you need. He doesn’t tell you about a sale and not at least link to a source that tells you how to buy it… or whatever the example is.
I want to be like this. Not anti-backlink, but generous to my audience.
The other type of blogger that I think is rare is someone who thinks he can keep his audience to himself. When I first started I was probably immature enough to think that I could keep all the audience on travelisfree.com. This is disrespectful to my readers. They deserve to know everything, and they aren’t too dumb to google something when they need more info. Trying to keep everyone in your own bubble or sphere isn’t actually going to help, but quite the opposite.
And again, I think this mentality is very rare. Most bloggers are like Gary. Gary even tells you if he heard of it from another blog, not just if he got the information from there. Don’t get the wrong idea, don’t think I’m proposing we find all the copy cat bloggers and what not… because when you want to find something, you’ll find it even if it doesn’t exist.
Conclusion
I should reemphasize that I want bloggers to steal my content. I mean, obviously I don’t want entire posts taken, or original concepts that I’m providing copied, but I certainly want to be referenced.
I also don’t want to be competitive. I want to link out to another blog if they’ve been helpful or have good content or concepts.
I would like credit for work I’ve done. Is this for ego reasons, or to simply grow the blog?
I definitely have liberal standards for what I’d call “stealing”. Especially when you’re a smaller blogger… you can wonder “why aren’t people backlinking to me?”, but I’ve now realized that there are hundreds of blogs. How can anyone know of all your content to back link to? I’d only complain if the it’s word for word the same.
Even then, if someone just said, “sorry dude”, and added a link, I’d be giddy. That’s all I’d really be asking for.
Now the big question is this: should I bother saying anything if a blogger does steal content? I’ve explained why I want to, but here’s why I shouldn’t. 1) The one time I did, it was denied and I was insulted by being told we both copy from flyertalk. It did no good. No positive outcome was brought, and so it’s a negative interaction for nothing. And 2) Why deal with it when there are 100 others who do backlink for every 1 who copies and pastes?
What’s your opinion? How would you have handled it? Would you bring it up? Would you let it be? Is it worth caring or even an email?
Based on my one experience, my feeling is that I’ll end up making more enemies than friends and therefore it’s not worth it. If I maybe had addressed it better, or their response wasn’t complete crap, then likely the end result could have been positive. But I don’t think most people want to take allegations of plagiarism positively, or rather they would take it personally.
Thoughts?
Drew, you have every right to be upset if somebody steals your content, and then has the audacity to lie about it. Call them out. In public, if private doesn’t work. Letting people get away with your content just tells others that it’s ok to do it. You run a great blog with wonderful content. I’d hate to be helping someone else that did that by using their credit card links, giving them site visits, and generally thinking that they’re trustworthy. Keep up the good work.
Thanks Christian. I think private is a good start, but I don’t really want to bring every confrontation publicly. That’s not too appealing or friendly, but I decided to do a singular post on the subject in general, since it’s real. But believe it or not, I’m not too annoyed, more curious how I would handle it in the future. But it’s good to have validation that it’s not just my ego getting in the way, and that it’s perceived by others as a real issue.
I’ve noticed a loooot of bloggers lately posting about routing rules and whatnot, I immediately thought they are riding your wave on those. Definitely bring it up, especially if it’s a blatant ripoff.
Well, I hope more people write about rules and complex stuff. Cuz there’s still a lot we don’t know. 😀 Gotta push the envelope.
But I definitely don’t want to assume anyone writing about the general subject must read my blog, or something like that. But I’m certainly smart enough to realize an entire paragraph that I wrote. 😀
For anyone wondering, “Well Traveled Mile” is the site that copies this. The funny thing is people are thanking him for “his work” in the comments.
http://www.welltraveledmile.com/a-table-comparison-of-award-ticket-stopover-and-open-jaw-rules-for-major-airlines/
Call them out because they won’t stop unless they’re shamed. I respect Loyalty Lobby more and am reinforced on how original and creative his content because of this post: http://loyaltylobby.com/2014/11/01/blogs-websites-that-copypaste-material-from-loyaltylobby-case-ihg-pointbreaks-list/ . I mean come on Drew! This is the internet for Christ’s sake.
I work as a researcher and in science, people who copycat without citing other people are weeded out over time and punished by the community. On the other hand there are people like you are continuously generating unique content that adds tremendous value to the community. People like you are rewarded over time. I think the community will clearly recognize what’s happening over time and reward/punish people appropriately. If I were you, I would just stay out of arguments so that I could stay focused on enjoying life (as you do in your daily travels) and generating unique content.
I Agree with this. I think your content is so obviously high quality that it’s difficult to miss. You’re right to be annoyed though.
May e if you do address it try to make it as non-accusatory as possible. Like, “hey it looks like you got some content from my site. If so, I’d really appreciate a back link. If not, forget I said anything. Just looked really similar.
I feel your pain. I only found your site a few months ago and since then you are the only travel blog worth following. Keep up the good work!
Glad you found the site! Hope the content continues to be helpful.
Drew
Drew, if I were you, I would extremely upset. You are very original in your content, you dive into 2nd and 3rd level of information that other blogs don’t even know how to state or describe or even have the energy to research. I salute you for that, you do what you do, extremely well, thank you. Your original content does have copyright protection, but I do understand that enforcing such right here is probably not likely. Attribution, at the very least, must be given to you and you should be credited and linked to when people outright take your materials and post them on their site. You have every right to be upset, I am sorry to hear that people are doing that to you. I hope that does not diminish your drive and excellent content as that would be a loss to us.
Best,
PedroNY
Thanks PedroNY,
Not really discouraging as I think the readers appreciate original content, and it’s part of what makes the blog have any readers. Anyways, thanks for encouragement!
Drew
I have the same problem with a few of my travel related sites (not blogs). You can do a couple things:
1. Find the hosting companies DMCA form and file a DCMA complaint – I find this usually results in either the information being removed pretty quickly, or the entrire site being taken down about 80% of the time.
2. Same with Google.
3. Turn your tables into pictures and put a slightly transparent “watermark” diagonally across the data.
This is great advise. I already filed complaints with the blog that jacked my ENTIRE overwater bungalow article (someone pointed out below).
It’s just sad that someone would copy and paste an entire article claiming it their own work. It even has the author as someone else at the top. And they change all the links to their own links.
BUT, it was good to know where to go. Found the host and filed a complaint as well as google. So thanks for the advise, wouldn’t have a clue otherwise.
I would definitely call them out. First privately, then publicly if needed. They should have to at least consider that there could be consequences. I read your blog b/c of the great original ideas that you bring. I consider doing your own policing to be part of being a good business person. Large companies have departments that do this for them.
That’s a good point, just an annoying part of this business I guess. Thanks for reading, btw. 🙂
Drew
I agree: naming and shaming is the ONLY way to delouse this hobby
Shaming isn’t the point of travelisfree.com
I guess that’s a mission that travelbloggerbuzz decided is his job. 😀
Drew, we talked about this before and I thought everything was resolved. I never denied using your facts to double check the information when putting together a chart. Plus as you said “…content gets borrowed. Plus, everyone’s writing on all the same crap.” I published a chart of stopover rules for 32 airlines, your old list has 16 airlines. You’re bringing this up over a phrase “origin zone.” If what you want is a back link, I’d be happy to link that section of the table to your work.
Consider it done, all it would have taken was a request.
“You’re bringing this up over a phrase ‘origin zone.'”
So you are trying to pass it off? You’re saying it’s a coincidence that two sites describer “Air Berlin” “Stopover Rules” with “one stopover within the origin zone”? (which is more than two words btw). Plus the continuing details also came from FT?
Look, this blog was either the source or not. If so there shoulda been a link, originally, if not after first contact. Adding twice as much content has nothing to do with whether or not some of it jacked.
I’m sorry that you are unable to see this as a real issue.
Drew
I never denied that I didn’t use your site as a source of info, after all it is the internet where info gets shared and re-shared. The phrase was likely used out of error when compiling info and was quickly changed when you brought it to my attention. I’m a reasonable guy and have had some of my work copy and pasted verbatim. I would have been more than happy to add a link to your site if you would have asked, but when you go about it by leaving hasty comments on my site, and then quickly reply for me to delete the comments and then follow up with an apologetic email I left it at that and that was six months ago. I also don’t appreciate you deleting my comments on this thread, but it’s your site you’re welcome to do as you please.
You really trying to excuse your behavior? Just man up and change your behavior.
I responded below, but…
– You did deny it, I believe I showed that.
– Someone else copying your work doesn’t makes one reasonable, nor justifies doing so in return.
– Frankly, your policy shouldn’t be copy peoples work and then if they find out backlink. Further more, you could have earlier when I commented, but didn’t until now. Odd.
– I didn’t email you, but I did comment on your blog calling you out knowing that it wouldn’t go through since it was my first time commenting. I saw this equal quicker than emailing (finding email and all). I’m sorry that you felt commenting was an inappropriate way of contacting you.
– I want to explain that my newish comment policy is to never filter unless it attacks someone else. Keep your comments about the issue at hand. This is my policy and I need to be even better about enforcing it given some of the comments I let through about a friend months ago. You are free to say anything you want about me or to me.
Mostly I’m astonished that the “error” was forgetting to change the wording. The error could have been stealing content, not doing your own research, or not backlinking at all. But no, you say the error is not changing the wording.
How is any of this justification?
Please see my comment below though.
^^^ Kind of ridiculous that he’s is going to agree to give you a backlink, but in doing so with his post he is creating a backlink through his username from your site to his.
I noticed this link during the summer that seems to be almost an exact copy of your post in April 2013 with a few changes at the beginning and end as well as CC links added in:
http://awardtravelpoints.com/2014/04/07/how-to-stay-for-free-at-overwater-bungalows-in-bora-bora-or-the-maldives/
I had forgot about it until now.
Yours: http://travelisfree.com/2013/04/09/the-secret-to-free-overwater-bungalows/
What the what!?
How did I miss this one. This is word for word my entire article and they swap out the links. WHAT THE HECK.
That is terrible. How can that person sleep claiming they wrote that article.
I had googled overwater bungalows and started reading his page and thought “I have read his exact thing before!” It rang a bell because it was one of the first posts of yours I had ever read!
I thought it was pretty shameful and thought you should know.
Criminy! Drew, You can stop talking about the (almost esoteric) wording of “zones” etc and just shift your focus to this more obvious, completely blatant ripoff that Kevin found.
I would love to see how the guy defends his work on this one.
lol, well, I already filed a DMCA with both wordpress and google, and I messaged and commented. Waiting, at the moment, for a reply.
That copycat post is gone now, thankfully.
Rand-
Seems to me that any significant use, or any quote/cut and paste regardless of length, should trigger a reference to the source. Drew shouldn’t have to scour the Internet and chase down copied work to ask for recognition.
This is important as it allows readers to distinguish writers who find ideas from those who package them. That’s not necessarily a negative-collecting a subject and presenting it in a precise, accurate and understandable way is a skill too.
I agree with the first part. But he’s trying to claim that he merely used my site to double check his info. Clearly he didn’t get the exact wording for the rules from here. It’s mere coincidence.
Most folks are not taught much-if-anything about copyright and
ownership of written material. I’m a technical editor by profession,
so this is part of my bread-and-butter. And I’m going to ‘meddle’
by answering Well-Traveled Mile’s claims and excuses…
Well Traveled Mile: “I never denied using your facts to double
check the information when putting together a chart”
So, you admit you stole his work (“using your facts” means you
took his stuff!). If you *reference* some one else’s work, you
are supposed to: a.) first, ask their permission! and b.)
credit them as the source, right up front when you first post or
print *their* material. To “double-check” airline info, you go
TO THE AIRLINES – you do not take the information (without
permission and credit) from someone else who did that work!
Well Traveled Mile: “never denied that I didn’t [sic] use your
site as a source of info, after all it is the internet where
info gets shared and re-shared.”
So, your “defense” is: “Everyone ELSE is stealing, so why shouldn’t
I?” Drew did not (although he probably should have) ask you to NOT
use his work – he asked you to credit him for that work. He should
not have to ask, you should have credited him when you took — AFTER
you asked his permission to use his work.
(And “I never denied, I never denied…” “After I got caught, I
confessed” is supposed to make it okay that you took Drew’s stuff? Uh, no.)
Well Traveled Mile: “I’m a reasonable guy and have had some of my
work copy and pasted verbatim.”
“People have stolen from me, so it’s okay if I steal from you?’ Uh. No.
Well Traveled Mile: “The phrase was likely used out of error when
compiling info and was quickly changed when you brought it to my attention.”
“I made a mistake by **NOT changing Drew’s phrasing when I COPIED his
stuff**”? Uh, no.
Stealing someone else’s work, and then changing *their* wording AFTER
you’re caught does NOT remove the original theft. And it’s not up
to Drew to go hunting down thieves, you are supposed to CHOOSE not to be one!
Well Traveled Mile: “I would have been more than happy to add a
link to your site if you would have asked,”
“You caught me! And *once caught* I would have credited you. If NOT
caught, forget it!”
Well Traveled Mile: “but when you go about it by leaving hasty
comments on my site, and then quickly reply for me to delete the comments”
“but you were mean when pointing out that I stole from you. How
dare you point out in public that I stole from you (and posted what
I stole in public)!”
Well Traveled Mile: “and then follow up with an apologetic email I
left it at that and that was six months ago. I also don’t appreciate
you deleting my comments on this thread, but it’s your site you’re
welcome to do as you please.”
Now my feelings are hurt because you said mean things about me stealing from you.
LOL! well done
Wow. Great to have a professionals feedback.
In which case, Rand, I leave her reply as a summary of my points, but better worded.
The only thing not accurate is the assumption that the stealing was denied. It was denied. The source was apparently “flyertalk” and it must have been coincidence because I was given tons of proof how it’s a common phrase.
Thoughts?
My thoughts were after reading about 1/4 of the article, “I can’t believe I am wasting my time reading about someone complaining about another blogger”.
And that’s not why I sign up for your site. That’s why I subscribe to MileNerd.
Don’t complain, just write. Have a thicker skin.
That’s why God gave you a hand to navigate away from the page. It’s his blog, if he wants to connect with his readers over an issue I don’t see how that’s affecting you.
If you spend your time at work creating something and someone else simply takes it and pretends it was theirs you wouldn’t see how that would effect you? That wouldn’t piss you off? seriously? Drew is simply asking to be referenced as the source. What distinguishes his blog from others if they offer the same material? Why would they read his blog?
I agree with all 3 comments here. 😀
My blog isn’t about other blogs. But this case is indeed about plagiarism in general related to my site. Another was even found int he comments, in this case an entire post was taken.
In the end I wouldn’t worry about it. You’ll always deal with infringement in any intellectual industry, the best you can do is minimize it. I wouldn’t worry about it though, the reason I follow your blog almost exclusively is your completely original content, well structured layouts and above board mentality.
Just like all knockoffs, they will never be as good as the genuine product.
I’ll admit that I’m not as much worried about someone else in my niche, or someone doing it better than me. Nah.
But I know it can affect your google ranking if two sites have the same content, google lowers both sites. Heck if I’m getting punished for my own hard work.
BUT your probably right in the current case. Just write it off as knockoff and be flattered. 😀
I’m not sure how I originally found your site about 6 months ago, but it definitely wasn’t google. I’m not sure for your blog the importance of showing up on the first page, especially when you’re intentionally writing a lot of niche material.
We all know your style and how thorough your content is. Other blogs don’t come close to tearing apart rules and T&C’s. I’m betting anyone that read these comments is now on watch for any further stolen content. So you’re building an army…
That being said, I’m still waiting for an answer on how you get new cards if you’re living in hotels abroad all the time. If you don’t answer this question for me I’m going to start my own blog where all I do is steal your content.
It’s not your ego that’s the problem, it’s their plagiarism. Everything you said is reasonable. I have had this happen to both me and family members who have had work published in magazines. Once I submitted an article to a national magazine where they held it for six months “considering” it. They finally rejected it, but the next month not only did essentially the same article appear in their magazine, but my drawings of a made-up location appeared with the article as an illustration (obviously not a coincidence when it was completely unique and did not exist in the real world). I would say something, but not expect a good response.
Oh my gosh. So what did you do? I’m sure there’s something you can do…
The “It’s not your ego that’s the problem, it’s their plagiarism” resonates. It’s like, wait a minute, this is not wrong of me to address it, it’s wrong to steal my content! lol
But it’s only lately that I’ve seen it this bad. Like someone else in the comments showed with my bungalow article copied in entirety, there have been multiple things like that. Like, what the heck, do these people have no lines?
The truth is that while it is hard to imagine, there are a lot of people that simply do not have any restraints. One thing I did not mention is that I have also been an adjunct professor at two colleges. I have never had a class where I did not catch major plagiarism (more than 50% of the paper verbatim plagiarism) even though I tell them up front I will catch it if they try it. What amazes me are the times where I have documented page after page of content lifted word for word from websites, and they have the nerve to look at me and deny it–even with their paper and the website sitting side by side. They simply seem to be missing a conscience. This is also the norm, no the exception. When a student would confess and ask for a second chance, I would be shocked. They also just do not get the fact that what they are doing is intellectual theft. I have many more examples as well, but what honest people do not realize is how widespread the problem really is.
As to what I did on the article, there was not much I could do because they would have had more expensive lawyers than I could afford.
Drew, Kevin C seems to have this nailed. You can’t just sit by and let others steal your work. To state the obvious that’s why we have trademarks and copyrights. Unfortunately that doesn’t work so easily on the internets as McCain would say. Your constant vigilance with self reflection to maintain the integrity of your work is something I notice and greatly admire about you. It is apparent that you are not only brilliant but you care very much about your readers. That said, you need to eat! The reality is that you deserve and should be compensated for your work – just like everybody else. People that take credit for your work are stealing from you – plain and simple.
Thanks for the feedback Smay. Mostly, I’m sorry to have so badly tricked you into thinking to put me and brilliant in the same sentence. You shoulda seen my GPA. But you are right that I definitely care about what I do, and the general about people who rely on this site for information. So anyways, I take it seriously. And so the recent copyings are pretty annoying. BUT hopefully readers are like you and see the work is original, it is researched, and that people appreciate enough that I can make enough. I’m content with enough, and I’m about to go eat out, so I shouldn’t be too worried about all this.
Regardless, I greatly appreciate your encouragement.
ha! you just don’t realize how smart you are my friend. I happen to be have a doctorate in School/Clincial/Child psychology and a large part of my job is to assess intelligence. I also taught graduate college courses on learning theory and multiple intelligence. Howard Gardner (notice the reference WTM?) from Harvard correctly shifted the question of “how smart are you” to “how are you smart”. Now, when I say you are brilliant you are going to have to defer to the professional 😉
Well, despite you being a professional, this is the internet. If we met in person and tried to maintain your stance, they’d have to recall your credentials. 😀 Of course I’m joking… about the recalling your credentials. None the less, I appreciate the flattery. I will say that I’d LIKE to think your confusion is stemmed from my creativity. And I like the “how are you smart” concept a lot. I haven’t heard that before, but that doesn’t mean to much.
Might look into more of his work (aka, search ted talk).
Drew
Ted talk has some amazing stuff on it so let me know if you find something! His concept is that there are multiple types of intelligence and each is valued to varying degrees depending upon the culture. GPA and school grades rely almost exclusively on verbal/linguistic and logical/mathematical intelligences. That is why so many wildly successful people in our culture failed in school – their brilliance wasn’t in those particular categories. Hopefully one day we will meet in person and we can talk about it over a beer!
WTM, I will reply to your email/comments here publicly.
I’m shocked that you can still deny any plagiarism, and that you deny denying referencing me. Why else did you tell me it’s a common phrase, show me how it’s a common phrase, and explicitly say that you know we both got it from FlyerTalk? That sounds like a denial to me.
I’m surprised that you think adding content in the post, or rearranging the words and switching out the word “zone” for “region”, as you did today, mean that it’s your work. This is still a case of plagiarism, and I personally see that as a big deal. That is… exactly why I didn’t continue any email communication. Frankly, it’s wasted effort, as I did receive denial and insult with no addition, apology, or even link at the time (which I don’t want in this case).
But anyone with google can decide for themselves. Think about this from a perspective not of your own for a second.
Google tells us that “one stopover within the origin zone” is only found on two sites on the entire internet. I believe your references to this being a common phrase are to call this coincidence, but any reasonable person can see this example is only on two sites. Two resources on the entirety of the internet.
But upon 1 click I can see that both of these sentences HAPPEN to be talking about Air Berlin. Unbelievably the paragraph surrounding the phrase looks a lot alike too. Not only Air Berlin, but we’re reading posts on two different blogs that are “lists of stopover rules”.
At what point are you willing to admit you copied it? Further more, how do you not see that as an issue?
And if you are claiming to “borrow” my content, why didn’t you add a link in the first place?
Because…
It’s plagiarism. That’s the word for what you did: taking someone else’s work and passing it off as your own.
Since you have nothing to apologize for in the work you’ve done, I propose 1 thing, and this is the only resolution I see fit. Here it is:
Leave your post in its original form.
Change the post back to the way I see it in Archive.org in Jan this year. This isn’t to be mellow-dramatic and say “fine then, I don’t want your links.” I think it’s practical and fair to me. Two things come of this.
1) I see it as unreasonable to continue to deny plagiarism and then slightly change the wording in the post. This also makes it so that people can decide for themselves whether or not you copied my content.
And please, to be consistent, take out the backlinks. This is the most honest way of doing things.
I personally, think linking is an excuse in this case to steal content. It’s not Leff saying “this guy wrote about this _____”. It’s “here’s my compiling of airline stopover rules”.
2) I can do a DCMA (with google and your hosting company), and this way we will hear back from professionals on wether or not it’s plagiarism.
Maybe it technically isn’t, but we should allow professionals to decide instead of arguing about it.
Please, I’m a reasonable guy, and if my allegations are false (as you seem to think they are), or that the issue isn’t that big of deal, non-bias sources should decide. Just change the post back to the way it was, without links, and lets not bicker about it any more.
A well-known blogger has recently copy-pasted my work word-for-word w/o reference… I know the feeling man, it sucks.
That’s a bummer. Without names (I wouldn’t even care to know probably), I am curious as to what you did, like did you message/email them? And if so, what did they say or do?
I hope they apologized and took it down, but my gut says it’s not always that easy.
I did nothing – unless it gets to a point where people start accusing me of ripping them off, I don’t think it’s worth my time.
Just checked out the guy’s website. He apparently abandoned it back in May so I’m not sure he will do anything for you on something that is already dead.
well his site is getting some traffic today. The first sentence of the last post is classic and highlights why they copied and pasted Drew.
“In March we did our 1st trip to Asia and spend 2 days in Hong Kong and 7 days in Thailand”
Who goes all the way to Asia for two days in HK and 7 days in Thailand? What a waste of jet fuel.
Plenty of people would do that if they only had a 10-day window in which to travel. I support Drew in the controversy at hand, but there are many types of travel style, and this is one.
I dunno…this blog seems to be one of the least generous in linking to others.
No other blog makes so many complaints about how much ‘work’ is put in and what is ‘deserved’ for that. It would be the high road to not make public complaints about this stuff and keep the enforcement to yourself.
I come now for the comment fireworks like at George P’s site.
But agree Gary is among the best of the best.
And that ‘well traveled’ one is a blog I don’t bother reading either.
Link to others for what? Almost all of his content is completely original.
That would be like the bible referencing Pat Robertson
Love your comment, Drew B!
I’m laughing so hard right now and I couldn’t agree more. Drew M has an incredible blog with smart, original content and he rightly deserves credit for all his hard work.
Ok, joke alert – here is my new business plan. I’m going to copy Travel is Free in its entirety, word for word. Except for the heading. I’ll change that to Travel is Fun, and I’ll do all the typing in Green. and I’ll put in a bunch of credit card links so I can make lots of money off someone’s else’s work. And if anyone questions my site I’ll say – hey it’s different, just look at the title – and all the green. Totally different.
Drew, have you googled “one stopover within the origin zone”? I just did and got two pretty crazy Russian sites. The first is the best, as it reads:
trace cell phone number globe
One stopover within the origin zone and one stopover within the destination zone is permitted. Not only can this flexible stand serve as a tripod, but it can also wind around a tree, a chair, or a rearview mirror to help take video or timed shots. Boyfriend Warner F Bong , birthplace Charlotte, DOB: 14 April 1964, emploument Animal Keeper.
I think the second is either cribbed from you or from the guy who stole for you. I won’t quote it because it’s kind of boring without the tripod reference.
If people are going to plagiarize your posts, you should call them out publicly. If you want the practice to change, that’s the only way.
And don’t limit it to small nobody blogs like WTM. Lots of bigger blogs also take your content often passing it off as your own, much like they did with FrequentMiler back when he was constantly producing original content on Manufactured spending (I still remember the Jason Steele post on TPG.com basically plagiarizing the infamous “One card to rule them all” post and got rigthfully hammered on it in the comments)
That sucks, I understand your frustration. Hasn’t ever really happened to me so I don’t know what I would do if it did.
Have you ever wondered why certain blogging niches are so competitive towards each other? I am a PF blogger and we all love each other, help each other and FinCon is a freaking blast. I’m not saying travel blogging isn’t like that but I don’t seem to get that vibe. What do you think?
add (c) notic to each blog;
send canned “takedown notice”
to any copyright violators;
FYI: your unique text is
automatically copyrighted
immediately upon composition,
you need not register it with
US Copyright Office…