Originally this deal got passed around as a kind of a pass with “unlimited” flying for 2 months. While it’s not exactly true, you can get as many as 20 flights in 2 months with this pass, a seriously good deal if you have the time and interest.
The “hopper” term, if you’re not familiar, is a series I do where I try to make crazy routes to see tons of places using few enough miles that you could fly the entire route from one credit card bonus. But this would be my first “hopper” post on a cash ticket.
First thing is first. I want to explain that the ticket isn’t just an unlimited travel pass as others have said. The way it actually works is that you get a certain number of “credits” that you can use in a certain number of days. It’s kind of like frequent flyer miles. For example, for $160 you can get 10 credits which allows you to fly for 30 days. But flights cost 1 or 3 credits, most of them costing 1 credit.
So at best you can do 10 flights with the 10 credit plan, and 20 flights with the 20 credit plan.
But the catch is that they’ve made most of the routes available with 1 flight credit a dead end. Like you can fly Bangkok to Hanoi for one credit, but the only Hanoi destination available for 1 credit is Bangkok.
So what I’ll do in this post is first explain in detail how the deal works and the catches. And then come up with routes that connect 10 destinations without doubling back or having to pay 3 credits to go somewhere new. For example, I would start in Hanoi or unfortunately leave it out, as there are a number of destinations available for 1 credit.
AirAsia Pass Plans:
- For $160 you get 10 credits to use in 30 days of travel.
- For $290 you get 20 credits to use in 60 days of travel.
Your 30/60 days starts when you take your first flight! That’s key. In fact, you don’t even have to choose the name of the person with the pass until you take your first flight.
The bad things:
- Flights need to be booked 14 days in advance
- Each route can only be redeemed once
- You need to pay airport taxes
- No cancels/refunds of credits
My guess is that they don’t want business travelers buying this and repeating the same route over and over when they would have been a regular customer. My guess is that a route can be flown each way. Otherwise you could get into Laos on AirAsia and wouldn’t be allowed out on AirAsia.
Pricing the credits.
Flights are either 1 credit or 3, which is simple. Well, except that the only way to know how much your route will cost in credits is to look at a list of routes. Basically, longer routes are more expensive.
Find the route prices here.
Airport Taxes
Airport taxes aren’t that bad though. Departing Bangkok can cost $20. Although entering another country may cost money, entering Myanmar costs another $18. A little bit of digging shows that the range of costs will be $15 to $45 depending on the route. Most routes being close to $20.
Let’s just assume that every route will average out to $20. That’s 10 flights with an extra $20 in airport taxes. Not a lot of money but another $200 per 10 flights to consider. Of course, if you use more of your credits on longer flights, you’d have less flights and less airport taxes.
AirAsia Hopper
Obviously they are encouraging my kind of hopper style routing. They won’t let me fly the route more than once, so I need a… round-the-Asia ticket. I’m going to put together a list of interesting routes available for 1 credit and then piece some things together and see what happens.
- Bali -> Badung, Yogyakarta
- Siem Reap -> Bangkok
- Mandalay/Yangon -> Bangkok
- Kota Kinabalu -> Cebu,
- Hanoi -> Bangkok
- Sandakan -> Kota Kinabalu
- KL -> Banda Aceh, padang, Saigon, Singapore
- Singapore -> Langkawi, Phuket
Wow, not a lot of that connects. I think they’ve designed this well. Almost everything leads to a dead end in terms of staying within 1 credit. If I fly Bangkok to Hanoi… I have to use 3 credits to go anywhere else.
Start in Burma, in either Mandalay or Yangon and lets just see how it goes..
Examples of the “AirAsia Hopper”
Puerto Princesa -> Manila -> Cebu -> Kota Kinabalu -> Kuching -> KL -> Medan -> Bangkok -> Mandalay -> Bangkok -> Hanoi
I put this as my first example because it’s the one that actually touches the most places I’ve never been. I’d maybe try to squeeze in Banda Aceh somehow too. But instead of flying Kuching to KL, I’d probably fly to Johor Bahru and then open-jaw to KL to get to Medan, or something like that.
Bali -> Bandung -> Singapore -> Phuket/Krabi -> Chiang Mai -> Bangkok -> Ho Chi Minh City -> KL -> Langkawi -> Penang -> Medan
Mandalay -> Bangkok -> Chiang Mai -> Surat Thani -> KL -> Sandakan/Tawau -> Kota Kinabalu -> Kuching -> Singapore -> Langkawi -> Krabi
Hanoi -> Bangkok -> Siem Reap / Phnom Penh -> KL -> Medan -> Penang -> Langkawi -> Singapore -> Kuching -> Kota K -> Sandkan/Tawau
Hanoi -> Bangkok -> Phuket -> Singapore -> Langkawi -> Penang -> Medan -> KL -> Ho Chi Minh City -> Bangkok -> Siem Reap
Buying the 20 credits (for $290)
It’s gotta be impossible to come up with a route that is 20 flights that all touch different cities. So I’m going to go ahead and assume the best use of the 20 credit version is not skip the places you really want to see. For example the only way to get from Palawan (Puerto Princesa) to some place not in the Philippines.
Although, you could use it to have better routes, I still could attempt to make a really long chain. Here’s what it would look like to hit most every place:
- Puerto Princesa -> Manila = 1 point
- Manila -> Cebu = 1 point
- Cebu -> Kota Kinabalu = 1 point
- Kota Kinabalu -> Bali = 3 points
- Bali -> Bandung = 1 point
- Bandung -> Singapore = 1 point
- Singapore -> Langkawi = 1 point
- Langkawi -> Penang = 1 point
- Penang -> Medan = 1 point
- Medan -> KL = 1 point
- KL -> Krabi/Phuket = 1 point
- Krabi/Phuket -> Bangkok = 1 point
- Bangkok -> Chiang Mai = 1 point
- Chiang Mai -> Surat Thani = 1 point
- Surat Thani -> Bangkok = 1 point
- Bangkok -> Mandalay = 1 point
- Mandalay -> Bangkok = 1 point
- Bangkok -> Hanoi = 1 point
You could skip Mandalay or Hanoi to go to Siem Reap. And another place I would be going to is Banda Aceh purely so I can get to “Pulau Weh”.
Taxes
Looking exactly one month out.
Bali -> Bandung -> Singapore -> Phuket/Krabi -> Chiang Mai -> Bangkok -> Ho Chi Minh City -> KL -> Langkawi -> Penang -> Medan
- $10.24 – 40.21
- $5.83 – 15.48
- $27.19 – 16.80
- $5.66 – 37.09
- $5.05 – 14.09
- $21.47 – 18.10
- $25.50 – 22.50
- $2.50 – 11.10
- $2.50 – 10.82
- $7.21 – 19.14
$113.15 in taxes.
But how much would you have paid if you bought these flights a month out, at their cheapest? I decided to look up all the flights and see if the value is much more that $160.
$205.33 would have been the regular price for these flights at their cheapest. Now why would you pay $45 to lock yourself into AirAsia? Well, because it’s still the cheapest airline most of the time and the cheapest way to fly these routes. However, you can also book your flight at least 14 days out, when flights would be more expensive. So you could make relatively last minute plans (which I like).
Also, know that these flights are all looking in March which is off-peak season. In summer when these flights are full, this could save you a lot more than $45!
And also, there are more expensive routes. The average flight here was $20 pre tax and many of the longer flights are more expensive.
Category 1 & 2 hotels on the way
Truthfully, this could be an entire post but most of these routes are hitting tons of incredibly cheap hotels in terms of points that are still luxury hotels.
Examples
- Kota Kinabalu has category 1 Hyatt and SPG
- Kuching has a category 1 Hilton
- KL has a category 2 Hilton
- Johor Bahru has a category 1 Hilton
- Lombok has a category 2 SPG
- Yogyakarta has a category 1 Hyatt
- Bandung has a category 1 Hyatt
- Medan has a category 2 (JW) Marriott
- Chiang Mai has a category 2 SPG
- Chiang Rai has a category 2 SPG
- Siem Reap has a category 2 SPG
- Krabi has a category 1 IHG
- Phuket has a category 2 IHG
- Bangkok has a category 2 IHG
- Hanoi has a category 2 SPG
These are the ones obvious to me and that I could think of, but I’m sure there are certainly more. But everything I listed above has included notable hotels that I’ve thought about staying in or likely have.
Conclusion
The more I look at the deal the more I’m torn. Air Asia flights can already be had for extremely cheap. But on the other hand… some of these routes look really fun.
If I were to do it, I would probably fly Bali to Yogyakarta and then get a cheap flight from Yogyakarta to Singapore. In fact I did that exact same route last year on Air Asia and if I recall I got a flight for $10 to $20, but with this deal they want 3 credits to book the flight. So I might fill in a couple of gaps with paid flights.
Since I’ve already been to KL, Phuket, Bangkok, and Bali each multiple times, I think I would try to do a route to hit new places: Philippines, Borneo, inland Myanmar, Hanoi, and Sumatra.
Good deal? Well, certainly will save you money. Will it save you a ton of money? That depends on the routes and if you book ahead. The question is would you spend $270 ($110 in taxes and $160 pass) so see 11 cities with 10 flights if it weren’t for the pass?
If you have a month in Asia… this would be a really cool way of doing things. If you’re trying to save a dime on a few flights, it might not turn out the way you want.
If I have the time, I’ll likely do it. Especially if prices are higher in June and I can fit in Burma and the Philippines.
What about you? Is this too much or this tempting?
The Hilton in Johor Bahru is really nice. And you can’t beat the price tag of 5,000 Hilton points.
I had been eyeing the hotel actually, but can’t decide if Johor Bahru would be lame or not, what did you think?
Hi Drew,
Quick question, I know you can’t double back a route so could not fly Bangkok to Chiang Mai twice. However, could I use this for roudtrips? So Bangkok to Chiang Mai and then Chiang Mai back to Bangkok? Just curious if that would be applicable.
So when it says you can’t do the same route, I assume it either means roundtrip, or it considers Bangkok to Chiang Mai a different route than Chiang Mai to Bangkok. But this entirely assumption, but otherwise it would be a very broken system.
But I know there are people who work in Bali and are from Java that fly the route often, for example, and what they don’t want is them to get that route for 1/10th of the price.
There’s also the Intercontinental in Phnom Penh on the IHG Point Breaks list this quarter for 5000 points. 🙂
And Phnom Penh I believe connects to both Bangkok and KL, so that could be a good stop indeed. And while I don’t really like PP itself, the killing fields and the genocide museums made a huge impact with me.
Very tempting to me, but I’ve already booked several AirAsia flights in the region this summer, so not right now. I hope the deal lasts a while. Long ago a friend and I took 42 flights in 21 days on an Eastern Airlines Unlimited Mileage fare, with our tickets costing $324 each.
Wow. I suppose you could do this 10 cities in 10 days. :-p Not my style but the price is right.
I hope it sticks around too, but who knows.
Since the Philippines outlawed fuel charges earlier this year, it’s been much cheaper to originate OW or RT ex-MNL, ex-CEB, ex-KLO or ex-DVO
In this case, if the Air Asia trip ends in any of these cities, one can book:
KrisFlyer miles to the WestCoast for about 30K miles OW (after 15% online discount) with minimal fees.
Aadvantage is still a pain since you have to go to a local office in Manila.
United and Delta are doable from CEB, CRK or MNL.
Oh interesting thought. I tend to use AA and United anyways but I’m sure that would be a hot tip for a lot of people.
First, March IS HIGH season for much of SE Asia- so you got that backwards. Summer is not more difficult. after Thai/Khmer new year mid April, Then it’s brutally hot and the rainy season comes in the summer. Pretty sure you know this.
You REALLY need to figure checked baggage into your cost. Air Asia has VERY low carry on weight allowed and my experience is that they will weigh it. to do any of these hoppers with only the carry on allowance is unlikely. You’re going to be paying for bags. Wouldn’t surprise me if people using the pass have more bag scrutiny. The whole idea behind this is to suck you in with the low price without you factoring the # of credits per flight and bags. This is the crux of AA’s business model.
i’m looking at this, as it would allow me to visit several secondary cities on my radar. it may be that my main bag will be with the hotel in KUL/BKK/CGK when i’m in that part of the trip- hub cities.
15lbs? Totally doable for the carry-on backpacker. My kit weighs less than that AND I’ve got a full camping kit inside (tent, -10C sleeping bag, cooking setup etc) along with a netbook and clothes
Hard to argue with the one who carrys on a camping kit. 😀
Well winter is peak season for SE Asia, really.
I don’t check bags and we’ve flown AirAsia many many times without paying for checked bags. But if others are checking bags they should look at the price for each route.
So, January – March is peak season? I thought the flights were always cheaper then?
great post, I have been waiting for this pass and purchased it already! I currently live in Manila and plan a hopper from there. AirAsia doesn’t have fuel charges anymore, so that’s not an issue. The luggage allowance is a standard-size carry-on of 7kg plus a personal item – more generous than other discount carriers in the region and plenty for me for a trip like this. Also, if you check in online and use a backpack (instead of rolling luggage), AirAsia typically doesn’t weigh your carry-on. With regards to hotels, Accor is handy in SE Asia, so helpful to sign up for their private sales. I will post about my trip on my site, once I start…
Sounds awesome. You’ll have to backtrack the entire thing back to Manila then? Did you get the 10 credit or 20?
I bought the 20 credit pass and just booked an 11 flight round trip over 30 days, very excited about it.Hotels around the region are cheap as well, so this will be a dream-trip on a budget – total flight cost including fees and taxes is only $350 for all 11 flights (about 50% less than bought individually)! If you are flexible with your dates and destinations, this is a great way to explore a wonderful region!
Due to the limitations and availability, it wasn’t easy to put together. I’ve posted the routing as well as tips how to make it work on my site!
http://dreamtravelonpoints.com/2015/03/top-10-tips-to-make-the-most-out-of-the-airasia-asean-pass/
Haha, I saw this last night and messed around with this the same way you did. I won’t go to SEA until early 2016 though. Curious to see 1. what things will be like in peak season (winter) as far as availability 2. can I actually purchase it this far in advance. It could be pretty useful to me next year but will the price go up? That is the question…
At any rate it should be a good deal for me, since I will be sitting on a stash of unused IHG points just waiting for a pointsbreaks redeem. Sooner or later I should end up somewhere I can use them, right?
The thing lasts a year, so you could buy it now if you know for sure you’re going. The credits will be the same.
For sure. I’m in the same boat. That’s why you gotta diversify. Because you can save them for an incredible redemption instead of okay ones, or so I figure.
Drew
great post and thanks for spending the time to break it down for us. I didnt see any other locations in Malaysia in your list besides KL & Penang so was just wondering if you have checked out Miri, Terengganu, Cameron Highlands? Those may be worth a trip.
Also since Johor Baru and Singapore are neigbors, 1 hr bus ride, you can open jaw them to provide more options.
Is Johor Baru worth visiting?
I actually thought about visiting the highlands on our last trip but we just never make it out there as this last time we were too busy for sure. But I’ve never been on the east side of things, only KL and Langkawi. I want to make it to Borneo, but I just looked up Terengganu and it looks like the water is quite nice. I’d go anywhere with that water if the points take me there. 😀
Drew, if you made it to Banda Aceh and Weh Island, please let us know about your experience. Aceh is a land of contradiction, where the regional municipal government attempts to implement Islamic Shariah law, but yet they still cook their curries spiced with marijuana!
The Hyatt in Yogyakarta should be quite nice. It’s attached to a golf course if I am not mistaken.
I have noticed northern sumatra in the news headlines quite a bit. :-/ But have been recommending Weh for freediving. But yea, the news doesn’t make it sound really inviting.
I’ve been to the Hyatt in Yogyakarta and it is pretty neat, cheap and a little dated. Like the “spa” or gym room showers are so… like a public pools locker room.
But then it’s a beautiful property and the rooms were fine. We enjoyed it, but parts were very dated.
This is a fun problem that could be solved using graph theory. You could weight things according to price or travel time, depending on what mattered most to you 🙂
Actually, I was thinking that you could only fly routes that weren’t already super cheap, and that would be the best use. Mix in paid routes, which is kind of what I said at the end, but yea. Consider paid price, airport taxes (if you want to avoid routes), and the number of credits, and the other places you can connect to… and obviously where you want to go. I left off a lot of places for that reason. Although I did include Bandung because I had to.
An interesting list. As someone who in Indonesia a lot, I thought I’d comment a bit.
All airports in Indonesia have a departure fee. They were supposed to get rolled into the ticket this year, but I haven’t seen it yet. Domestic fees range from 30k IDR ($2.40) to 75k ($6). International fees range from 80k ($6.40) to 200k ($14).
These fees are payable only in cash. DPS, with their new airport facilities is the most expensive. CGK is moderate, and BDO and smaller/older airports are at the low side.
Normally QZ (Indonesian Air Asia) includes 15 kilos of checked luggage on domestic legs. I’m not sure if these would be continued on the air pass.
I’m a big Hyatt fan in Asia, if you’re a Diamond. BDO and JOG are ok, but a bit worn. Weekends in BDO you can choose the Chinese restaurant for breakfast. Roast chicken, duck, and dim sum are nice, but they only serve halal food.
My favorite Hyatt in Indonesia (since the Bali Hyatt is being remodeled) is in Jakarta. A great place for points and cash redemptions. 6k, plus $90. A very nice club. Not too much reason for sane people to visit Jakarta, though.
Air Asia does spot check bag weights. Often at KUL. If you have small bags they usually don’t check at all. So, if you bring your 22″ roller make sure it’s not much above 7kg.
Air Asia seems to use air stairs in many locations, even when there are normal gates available. The last time I flew to BDO, it seems they parked as far as possible from the terminal. I’d swear we had to walk 1/2 a mile on the Tarmac.
The SPG in Lombok is nice. The airport is an hour away. I’d expect to pay $30-35 each way. A great value on weekends for 2k points. I’m not sure if this property is going up, in the newly announced category changes. I got a decent suite, when a Plat member booked an award for me.
I think you can only fly Air Asia from SUB and KL to LOP.
great tips – I found that whenever I carry a back pack instead of a roller and check in online, I haven’t been checked at the airport.
Glad you like the Sheraton Lombok – I’m staying there on points, looking forward to it!
The departure and visa fees add up on international trips, so best not to cross borders too many times on one hopper…
So this may be a stupid question but I am planning a trip to southeast asia in the fall and will need to hop around a bit and this seems like a good fit. Can I buy this now and use it in the future?
Beth,
yes, you can purchase the pass now – it’s valid for 1 year from day of purchase. The next step is to assign it to your account, when you are ready to book. If your plans change, you can still assign it to somebody else.
For your first day of departure, you have 30/60 days to fly with the pass.
I’ve posted some more tips on my site. Have fun!