2 years ago we started keeping track of every dime we spend and posting it publicly.
Although the idea of living out of hotels came earlier, the goal in keeping track was to prove that we could live out of nice hotels and travel the world for less money than living in central Virginia. (Also, posting the stats I thought it would just be interesting to put an emphasis on transparency as that’s something I wish I saw more of in general).
After two years we’ve learned a lot about what does and doesn’t work, what expenses add up in life (for us food is surprisingly huge), and at the very least I though of it as a way to be transparent.
I should note that we started Aug 2013, but I did a post on expenses of 2014. A little confusing but I decided to do a calendar year post… because, it seemed to make sense. But now we actually have 24 months under our belt.
Totals
All numbers are for both of us, Caroline and I. Also, these aren’t just travel/transit expenses, but everything, even in our personal life.
I just want to start by saying that, as noted elsewhere, we are way over our $20k goal. The total for two years is $51,764.79, which is an average of $25,882.395.
So, I’m definitely just going to have to change the proclaimed “goal” in future publications so it says $24,000 (roughly our 2014 total) and not $20,000 a year… because in neither 12 month period did we come under $20,000. Worth a try but… oh well.
Guess our 2 biggest expenses?
It’s interesting because it’s very much like what I said in my 3 fold strategy for earning miles and points; we pay to earn hotel points, and that was our biggest expense at 29%, which I’ll talk more about.
Very close second at 26.5% is food! As I’ve said in many stats updates, I go into the month or destination wanting to be super frugal but ultimately I tend to opt for healthy food, good food and local food.
Totals
- Food = $13,761.91 (26.58%)
- Hotels = $15,038.11 (29.05%)
- Flights = $7,846.55 (15.15%)
- Land Transit = $9,422.94 (18.20%)
- Tourist Attractions = $1,510.67 (2.91%)
- Misc = $4,184.61 (8.08%)
Food
$13,761.91 = 573.41 a month
Not much to say about this expense. First, people are surprised how cheap it actually is given that we eat out nearly every other meal.
Trust me, it should be more but free breakfasts go a long way, and there are times where we eat dinner in the club lounge.
And ultimately, there are plenty of options to eat cheaply everywhere. And unlike hotels, third world countries have such cheap food that it can bring the average down a lot.
Yet, it’s still $573 a month, and that average includes traveling in Thailand, free breakfasts, and crazy lounge weeks.
The problem is that I value healthy, good, and local food.
You can always eat cheaply if you stop by the bakery and grab pizza. Always. In eastern Europe often you can grab a giant slice of pizza from a bakery for much less than a dollar. But it breaks all my rules.
1) No one should live on pizza… that’s just gross. 2) 50 cent pizza isn’t good. 3) I can get pizza anywhere, but when I travel around the world, I want to try local foods.
I have a video on local food in Bali, btw.
In the end, I love the adventure of trying new foods while traveling. It could be “nice” food, or a whole in the wall where no one has english menus or speaks english. Sometimes it ends in miming and getting something random.
Hotels
$15,038.11 = $626.58 a month
I’m actually happy with this number, as starting out two years ago, my rent was double this.
Today, I’m in a 5 star hotel that is going for $240 a night. It’s our 4th night here.
Tomorrow we switch to another 5 star hotel, an InterContinental where I BRGed a basic room that went for 290 Euros… but I’m getting it for free. Completely free.
All that to say, considering what we’re getting, $626 a month isn’t bad. I’d never be able to afford these experiences, to be in these locations, or to have this lifestyle without hotel points.
Although, as I’ve said, my agenda with hotels isn’t really to get free hotels, it’s to average down. I’ll probably rake in dozens of actually free nights via credit card points and what not, but I’ve decided that it’s best not to focus on free hotels since I’d be needing 12 months worth. My goal is to have good promotions where I spend $2,000 on hotels during a good promotion and use those points for hotels, basically at a discount.
The other focus I’ve had, which I’ll keep short since I’ve written about this many times, is that I focus on redeeming points for low category hotels. Conventional wisdom is to pay money for cheap hotels redeem points at expensive hotels… but the math doesn’t make sense. The InterContinental Hong Kong is 50,000 points and $200+, but the holiday Inns that are only 10,000 points are often only $100 less, maybe $150 or $200.
In other words, the others that are 1/5th as many points are often only half the cost. And that’s even more drastically true for SPG and Hilton where the top hotel is 18 times more expensive in points than the bottom tier points hotel.
Flights
$7,846.55 = $326.93 a month
What’s funny is that we were really on track for this year being an average of $250 and then we did the mistake fare to Beijing, and then we agreed to pay for a flight to fly with Caroline’s sister to Ukraine to help with their adoption.
It’s crazy how quickly a mistake fare can add up. The math is always enticing as I can earn miles, save miles (by not booking the flight with miles), and in the case of Beijing, fly business class. It makes so much sense in my head, although if I put a small amount of effort into earning more miles (by actually doing it every 3 months, adding another bonus to the list, etc…), then it would probably be completely unnecessary. Probably an “it depends” situation like all things.
It’s worth noting that we never pay fuel surcharges on award tickets.
Land Transit
$9,422.94 = $392.62 a month
How do I continually spend 20% of all my money on land transit? I hate transit and yet, I still find myself paying for it all the time.
I think it’s one of those expenses where you say “sure, it’s only 40 Euros for the train” so often that you don’t realize how quickly it adds up. 40 euros here, 20 there, a quick hop into an Uber. And yikes, I spent $400 this month and can’t figure out how.
I’d say that land transit is where I plan the least. I often just stroll down to the train station with minimal research and probably end up paying more than I had planned, especially in western/central Europe. Definitely car rentals add up big, and the worse the experience the cheaper it is. So maybe we pay for comfort too often. I don’t know, I haven’t spent too much on the subject although clearly I should.
Lessons Learned
I already talked about some of the principles I’ve learned about Miles & Points Strategies, so some of this is rehashing.
Few things:
Earn ’em and burn ’em
There are few wrong ways to use miles, and even then… it is okay. If you’re earning them for free, learn as you go. Just book stuff yourself and just fly. Even if there were a way to reduce the number of miles used with a fancy trick, I guarantee you it’s a small discount and it would be an increase in effort.
Enjoy.
It’s okay to use miles for unpopular redemptions like intra-Europe or domestic.
I think if you paid tons of money for your miles via paid flights or buying miles, these decisions would indeed feel foolish. But the actual foolish thing to do is pay for flights or miles… you just don’t have to.
Hotels never make the stay
If you’re interested in the place you’re going, then you don’t even want to spend time in the hotel.
Further more, my favorite places on earth; Bali, Rajasthan, Sri Lanka, much of the Balkans, Italy, etc… It’s totally funny, I just listed them all off the top of my head, and then I think back to the hotels I stayed while there, and they were all below average. In Bali we’ve spent weeks in a homestay that’s $10 a night, and same in Sri Lanka. Rajasthan and Italy, there are amazing hotels… but we ended up staying in 3 star hotels, Park Inns and Holiday Inns. Clearly the reason I love those paces isn’t the hotel.
Seriously important lesson. I love the Park Hyatt Shanghai or the InterContinental Hong Kong, but it’s not the actual reason I love those cities. So the experiences are fun, but they aren’t important.
The actual best use of hotel points is for low category hotels
Already talked about this plenty.
You should never pay for status
I said this the other day but… For hotels I have enough status to get breakfast (a cost saver) at most all the hotels I stay at. (IHG is the big exception, because they don’t offer free breakfast for any status).
No status was earned via paid nights or flights. But instead, via matches, credit cards, or even award nights that qualify.
In short, the amount of money you save by having status (lounges, upgrades, breakfast, etc…) is paid for by yourself to get the status. Not rocket science, these benefits are calculated. Like those free breakfasts were paid for by you spending 50 nights paying extra money to stay with a particular brand, often not the best bang for buck anyways.
That being said, breakfast is an important thing if you can actually get it for free.
Just this morning I said to Carrie that for me, free breakfasts is the pinnacle of luxury. I wake up and stumble to the elevator and get seated. And instead of cooking or even making or pouring my own coffee, I pick from a ton of food… in this case which includes some nice items I normally wouldn’t pay for, and have coffee made and brought to me.
And the fact that it was actually free… is awesome.
“Cheap countries” are not always cheaper
Just in getting around Yugoslavia in July we spent $686.23 on land transit, partly because the public infrastructure wasn’t great and I wanted to see a lot.
Same in Kenya, we spent a lot of money on doing normal things. A short drive on a map takes forever (and we got two flat tires). Kenya, where you can eat interesting local food for super cheap lead to our most expensive month ever, totaling $4,469.31.
On the other hand, traveling in the Baltics (Finland, Estonia, Latvia) while being more expensive on food, we had an under budget month, totaling $1,603.32. Except for Finland, those countries are cheaper than the US, UK or France… but more developed infrastructure than a lot of the world.
There are plenty of examples of this, with trips to Austria and Italy costing less than our trips to “cheap” countries.
It’s funny because I’ve had friends comment saying that we can live on ~$24,000 because we stay in cheap countries. And I do think that would be a really really good point if we were staying for 3 months at a time. You could pay $200 a month for a place in Chiang Mai, Thailand and never pay for transit, eat for $6 a day… and live the “four hour work week” dream, or whatever.
But I’ve learned that fast travel is more expensive in some places… although probably not Thailand. Another thing to remember, that I’ll say is a valid point, is that most of the world is cheaper than the US.
Without a doubt, most of Europe is cheaper than the US (in nearly every way), and most of the rest of the world is signficantly cheaper. So traveling to “cheaper countries”… is basically traveling. Unless you just rotate between Switzerland, France, Australia and Scandinavia… you’re probably going to be in “cheaper countries”. And my goal is to hit all the countries.
Travels from Aug 1, 2013 – July 31, 2015
Where we’ve been in the last 24 months (not all of these are new countries, but many):
- Greece
- Romania
- Hungary (x3)
- Slovakia
- Germany
- Austria (x3)
- Ukraine (x2)
- Lithuania
- Poland
- UK
- France
- Italy (and Vatican City) (x3)
- Switzerland
- South Africa
- Mexico (x2)
- Hong Kong
- Indonesia
- Singapore
- India
- Thailand
- Malaysia
- Panama
- Colombia
- Costa Rica
- Guatemala
- Slovenia (x2)
- Brussels
- Netherlands
- Czech
- Jamaica
- Oman
- Kenya
- China
- Latvia
- Estonia
- Finland
- Croatia
- Montenegro
- Bosnia and Herzegovina
- Serbia
- Bulgaria
(Now in Turkey, but it’s month 25).
I realized that we often repeat the same countries, but if I put a little more effort into seeing new countries, we could easily see all the countries in the world in less than a decade. Very tempting.
Thanks so much for this cost analysis. It is encouraging to see your transparency on actual costs associated with points/miles/travel. I am still trying to get my head around points for hotels. Can you provide another example to illustrate what you mean when you say “Conventional wisdom is to pay money for cheap hotels redeem points at expensive hotels… but the math doesn’t make sense.”
I never commented before, and we have gotten plenty of useful information from your website, its so inspiring you would move from place to place. One of these days I would like to take a leap of faith, quit and travel the world. Would you have done the same thing if you had kids?
Again thanks for all the info
@xiao ma,
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it.
In regards to having kids, it’s hard to say. Its not something I think about and it’s highly personal. I imagine the kids part means having higher cost and traveling at a slower pace. It also could mean them missing school during this time.
I don’t know where faith would come it. It really depends on if you can afford it, if you’d have a job waiting for you.
If you have a job waiting for you and no you can come back to a place to live… I will say this… If you have enough miles for a flight home at all times, you can always quit. If you’ve been feeling homesick for a while you can just book a ticket home.
One time I did this. I got sick and tired of being cold in the Andes and of getting sick… and I booked a ticket to go to my parents the next day.
So at that points it’s a matter of your resources, which includes your money saved, and your ease of taking off work.
If that is the case, and you can come right back to work, I would but most obviously wouldn’t. I know of many families that do travel though.
Thanks Leonard,
Let me start by giving an examples of where the advice is wrong.
I did a promotion to get free nights and completed it in 3 paid stays at a $50 Holiday Inn in Thailand. $150 and it got me nearly 3 free nights.
You could burn those at best at the InterContinental Bora Bora, where the price of a single night is $1,000+.
Huge but rare exception, but it’s the portrayed ideals.
Instead most hotels in these chains range from $100 to $250.
So staying with an IHG example, where the Holday Inn Kiev is $150 (where I would earn around 2,250 points) OR I could spend 15,000 points.
Then compare it to the InterContinental Hong Kong (one of the nicest in the brand) and it’s commonly less than $250 (which would earn me 3,750 points) OR it would cost me 50,000 points.
The reality is, that 50,000 points would get me at least 3 nights at a decent Holiday Inn, or 1 night at a high end hotel. But the cost of the high end hotel isn’t 300% more, it’s often 50% or 100% more.
With IHG, the exception is there big promotions which can be completed for cheap to get multiple free nights.
But when talking about Hyatt or SPG, you earn points so slowly, that it would take you a long time to earn a free night at cheap hotels.
Hope that makes sense. It makes sense in my head but doesn’t come out in words the way I expect. 😀
Makes total sense. Thanks for the extra example. It is counter intuitive and definitely different from what other “experts” would say. Loving your site and all the information here. Thanks again.
Great post. Would love to hear your “best bang for the buck” ideas on how to regularly eat free breakfast, ideally for a family with a few kids. Without being too aware of each loyalty program’s details, my vague sense is that this is unattainable w/o traveling a lot for business or as a lifestyle, or spending big like you mention.
Sign up for Hilton credit card ($95ish fee after first year), stay at Hiltons, eat for free.
Exactly, the Hilton Surpass and Hilton Reserve get you gold status, which is basically free breakfast.
There are occasionally status matches that are meaningful, but it’s rare.
Hilton gold members only get free breakfast for two, even if children are staying with you. We usually take turns with one of the children or enjoy breakfast ourselves then get a cheap breakfast for the kids when we leave the hotel. We find that when traveling as a family, we save more on food by staying at Holiday Inn Express, where possible, with free breakfasts for everyone. Even better, the Staybridge Suites also include dinner on weekdays.
Good analysis. I think you are right about the adults preferring (“should”) destination experience rather than Hotel experiences (after a while of high class living, it gets little dull-of course that will not attract viewership to most of the other blogs and credit card appl clicks).
But for the young kids, I noticed they remember/like the Hotel features (how great the pool was or the separate room or breakfast etc.) a lot more than adults..
I think that’s probably true. In fact, most kids wouldn’t care if the hotel with tons of slides was in Branson Missouri or Bora Bora.
Everyone cares when they are in Branson, MO…can’t even catch a flight out of there if you wanted to anymore!
Great post however!
Great recap and I love the transparency. So how do you make money traveling all the time and how do you meet minimum spend on all of your CC’s?
I make money on the blog, and I wrote about some really lucky stock trades throughout the last three years.
Mainly I shared buying AA stock at 40 cents and selling at $40. That was a savior. Also got really lucky with Netflix when it crashed in 2012. Both those were big turn arounds, and all my other trades were at least doubled. But honestly, at this point I’m solely relying on the blog and was thinking I’d give up the stocks for a while (hard to hold true to that). But the lucky stocks saved my butt.
I never worry about minimum spend stuff, but I MS really hard when I’m in the US.
Thanks for the full-disclosure, Drew. Also, I really enjoy reading your blog. The content outlines innovative travel hacking techniques. Even if the techniques are not applicable to my travel plans or beyond my comprehension, the effort you put forth I really appreciate.
I hope you are saving some of the details for a best selling book! I’ve been MSing for travel for a while and some of the concepts you mention go against the mainstream thought process. This is so great to hear!
I’ve actually thought that I should write down all the “off-line” deals that happen… just because they’d make interesting stories one day.
That is impressive. I know you’re seeing a bunch of cool stuff on your travels, but don’t you ever get tired of being a tourist? There are plenty of places you can comfortably live in the u.s and the rest of the world for under 1200 a month, and eat decently for considerably less than you are currently spending. Also, is healthcare included in miscellaneous? I hope you have insurance.
I love traveling, and I don’t get tired of it at all. I do miss friends and family from time to time, but try to make it a point to spend lots of quality time with the people I care about. Sometimes traveling together sometimes just spending a couple weeks with my parents instead of just thanksgiving day. For me, it works out better.
In regards to the comment about finding a place in the US for under $1,200… I mean, I’ve lived in the US for 25 years, but of course it depends on how you live.
If you live in the middle of nowhere (which I don’t want to do) I could get rent for $600 I’m sure. But I’d have to own a car, and it’s not where I want to live.
If it was just about being cheap I’d move into a house in Bulgaria for $100 a month… but I don’t want to do that either.
It’s not just about saving money. Right now I live in downtowns (the view from our rooms this week have been amazing), I haven’t done dishes, cleaned, repaired a car, or taken out the trash in years,
Also, I eat fairly well, eat out and try new foods. And that’s the area I could save the most in by having a house. Like, I’m paying less than $600 a month on hotels and the experience includes one meal a day, cleaning and is downtown. So I’d rather not tack on things like car expenses, car insurance, home insurance, internet, trash, etc… in order to potentially pay the same amount of money.
I haven’t had insurance for most of my life.
I know planning isn’t your favorite thing, but if you could do some more of it, I think you’d find you’d bring your costs down.
We just spent two months in Vietnam, a fascinating place that is incredibly inexpensive, everything from food, to lodging, to transportation. By planning and traveling slower (which saves on airfare) you’d have a hard time spending more than $50 a day for everything, well under your goal amount.
Average out your costs with visits to inexpensive countries and then the more expensive ones. With a game plan, you’ll be able to achieve what you want.
Love your blog and want the two of you to succeed!
Well, a few things.
First, I want to do what I want to do by going where I want to go. Hmm, that was a mouth full. In otherwords, I don’t want to go to Thailand for the thousandth time and stay in a hostel and then talk about how cheap we are.
Instead, I want to think about where I want to go and do it, and make the costs come out low. That’s just me.
Second, I can do two months of free hotels a year easily. In fact, over half of 12 months hotels are free. It’s the never ending travel that makes it difficult. So I can literally book a month of hotels in Egypt off of one credit card bonus. But then one month of Europe and I can burn through a years worth of hotel points.
So we do have $50 a day months that already average us down. It’s the months in expensive cities (which is most of the time) that bring our costs up. So in a way we’re kinda doing that.
Also, we’re staying in 4/5 star hotels for $20 a day and we spent most of our time in Europe. To me that’s good. Could help a LOT to stay in 2/3 star hotels and stay outside of town, or stay in one country longer… but I’ve gotten spoiled I think.
Love these posts. So glad you advocate for most normal people, the status chase is a waste of money and time. Free travel is the goal. I have practically used your advice and will continue to do so.
Good questions in the comments. Probably worth a post in response.
Glad to hear anything I write helps someone else. Thanks much for commenting.
Hey,
Do you ever factor in getting lounge access when deciding on hotels? While one location may be cheaper with miles or points, it may not have a lounge or breakfast. I just came back from the Conrad Bali and we had breakfast from 6:30-11:00, Tea from 3:00-5:00PM and Cocktails from 5:00-7:00PM. All that free food alone made our stay that much more enjoyable.
Do you have a “random questions” page? Or do you have an e-mail for PMs from readers?
I think that your ground transportation numbers are right in line, especially if you compare your figures to the cost of owning a car. I’ll bet that the monthly costs of car payments, registration, insurance, a fuel costs would exceed what you are paying now. You are doing a great job of keeping costs down.
You are my hero 🙂 . Love reading your experiences and I enjoy this lifestyle vicariously through you and Caroline.
I wonder, how do you make the $24,000 to spend every year?