Agree with my philosophy on travel, or not, it doesn’t matter, I think most people can appreciate openness. Plus, there’s a lot to learn when someone puts themselves out there, or at least I hope so.
My wife and I are trying something new. We’re splitting into two blogs. Hers will be thetravelventure.com and we’ll obviously still work together but have different styles and themes.
For one year, we are publishing all our expenses. Points and cash, travel and not travel. It will all be made public.
We actually started the project August 1st with a site to keep track of all our expenses. If you didn’t know, I and my wife Carrie travel full time. We don’t have a home to pay rent for. We don’t have a car or car payments. We live on the road, out of hotels and rely on public transport and our own feet.
All these expenses will be found on the “stats” tab on The Travel Venture.
For less than $20,000 (the income required to get food stamps), we’ll travel the world in luxury.
If you want to debate whether or not travel is free, do that on my last post: What Is Travel? And Is Travel Free?
But aside from that debate the simple thing is this- we are going to travel the world for less than we would spend not traveling, and we’re going to share all the expenses for anyone who might wonder how.
This is where the miles and points comes in. We can live in hotels cheaper than we can live in a stationary house and we’re going to share that process with you. Our rent in downtown Charlottesville [annualized] would be over $16,000 alone. Not including transport, food, etc… Now we’re without that home and without that expense.
Yet, we’ve spent most of our nights while traveling in 4 or 5 star hotels and I’m convinced others could do it too. Although the point is not full time travel, that’s our experiment, but the point is that anyone can get great deals on hotels. Anyone can use miles and points for a two week vacation.
Ya know what’s funny… Recently we were in Caroline’s hometown for a wedding and some doctor guy (I think) came up to us to talk about our travel. He said, “Man, I could never do what you guys do!”
I said, “Couldn’t travel for that long?” which is what I commonly hear.
He said, “No! I could do that, but I’d have to stay somewhere a lot nicer!”
And right now I’m sitting in a room that’s 512 to 640 Euros a night ($692 to $865). So I don’t know where this guy stays, but you can’t blame him. We don’t look… like Doctors (no offense Carrie). We look like mid-twenty-something backpackers. And admittedly, we have stayed in some holes.
Truth be told, we have stayed in some holes in the past (and we probably will again), but if you’re curious what kind of places we stay at, check the stats page. We’ll include the star rating of the hotel.
According to my google docs list, in the last year or so we’ve stayed at 70 some different hotels and the “average” is 4.42 stars. Take that for what it’s worth. But again, you can just look for yourself.
Start by going to the stats page, then it’s pretty easy to figure out from there. Search “hotel” to filter the stats to hotels only or “Food & Bev” to see what we’re spending there, or search by location to filter the stats that way.
How this game has changed our travel
Seriously though, when we first started traveling, we slept in many $5 hotels, beaches, a banana boat (don’t ask), in many airports, trains and buses. We’ve hitche-hiked (still do sometimes) and walked insane amounts of miles to avoid paying money.
Actually we’ve slept in hotels cheaper than $5.
I remember in Bangkok, we saw that a single room was $3 at a decent place (relative of course) so we shared the single bed. The Thai owner of the hotel would tell his friends about the American couple that shared the single room with the single bed. And they couldn’t believe it. It was more comical than I can retell for whatever reason.
Anyways, that reminds me of what I was actually trying to say.
You know we’ve been to Bangkok like 7 times and have never been to the Royal Palace. Why? Because we’re cheap. Well, because we were poor.
But now, we’ve figured out how to lower our travel costs so much, that we have much more money to do things we want to do. In the last couple months we’ve gone on multiple motorcycle rides, we ate fondue in the alps, we went on a boat ride on a Greek island, and then we ate fresh octopus.
Our life has changed so much because of our hobby. And truthfully, it’s part of my work now, and thus I have to have internet and such. So this has changed us a bit too.
But we’re not just paying for travel and we’re not just paying living expenses. Like everyone we have other hobbies. Many extreme sports and nature related things (like hiking or snorkeling) are best done traveling. And we are totally willing to pay for our hobbies. And that’s all included in our $20k goal.
I want to share how we do what we do.
Even if you aren’t going to become a full-time traveler, our “case study” of sorts shows not they hypotheticals of this hobby, and not the trip reports highlighting one trip and one area, it shows every single spend in points and dollars and that’s got to be helpful to someone. It also shows how we earn points and at what price.
Now I realize that some months we’ll go way over, maybe a month with great sales or points earning opportunities. And some months we’ll be really far below. Asia is obviously cheaper, but hey, that’s fine. We’re traveling the globe visiting many places, many countries, many continents (not more than 6 though) and it will all work out.
Part accountability and part sharing
So perhaps this new project will be good for us. We do want to stick to a budget. But also, it might be good for you. You can see what deals we find worth it, how we use our points, what are we doing to get all these stays, etc…
I’ve thought about adding a few more features that maybe we’ll also get around to depending on the feedback (although perhaps we should launch one thing at a time). It seems like a cool idea to me to have a section where it posts in real time what deals we take advantage of. You know, instead of a month later. I also, thought it would be interesting to show stats from our site publicly. Like how much money we make from the site and all that jazz. Although, this might not go over well with a few related folks, our goal is transparency. But again, we’ll see if the Travel Venture gets a following of it’s own or not and take it from there.
You can do it
You don’t have to travel year round, that’s not what I mean. We’ll publish all the deals we jump on, all our redemptions, how much we spend on food, and annual fees (thus which cards we keep). All of it.
The difference between owning a home and not
And I actually believe you can do a two week vacation for absolutely free. Or at the very least everything but the food. I guarantee I could book you two weeks in Bali and the flights to and from with the amount of miles I earn in a year from the easy things. It’s true.
“Taxes! Fuel surcharges! Spa!”
Dude chill. If you do one two-weeker a year, you can surely cover the fuel surcharges on your Barclay World Arrival card or something. I don’t book flights with fuel surcharges (as you’ll see) and I’ve never been to a spa (unless it was complimentary (like the Renaissance Bangkok or Thai Airways premium cabin)).
But here’s the thing; if I did two weeks in Bali like that, I’d blow half of my points. I can’t afford to do that. It takes a different strategy. So I need more points and have to be a bit more intentional about my redemptions.
In case you didn’t know, we are all about stretching our points! We chase big deals, we book mistake fares and we really make use of stopovers.
That is the premise of The Travel Venture
The stats page not only posts where we stay and what we do, but how we do it. If we stay at an InterContinental on BRG, we’ll link to articles on the BRG. If we pay for a room, we’ll say how many points we earned and how.
Carrie will do monthly updates and such on The Travel Venture. Similarly I will do quarterly updates in a different style but still posting all our spends. Have debated doing the same thing except posting income from the site. Maybe a 2014 project…
Anyways, as always I’d love to hear your thoughts. And really, we are just grateful for the chance to give it a try. Hopefully we will prove this valuable to you and that it’s something that works.
Thanks so much to the readers of this blog for allowing us to do these crazy things and for still sticking around. You guys are awesome.
The link to Carrie’s blog doesn’t work.
This will be fun to follow, looking forward to your year of adventure and expenses.
Sorry about that, fixed it!
Thanks for letting me know.
This is awesome, Drew. Thanks for putting this together. Looking forward to the new location!
Thank Carrie! 😉
Her website should be
http://thetravelventure.com/
So I am wondering why I never knew about Carrie’s blog? Oh, Drew…you’re killing me! 🙂 I can’t wait to read it!!!
Well, cuz this one is new! 😀 Hope you enjoy it.
It will be really interesting to see how you do it. Keep the good stuff coming.
I like to travel for extended periods and keeping the cost down is essential. I use bidding on priceline whenever I can but traveling internationally but that only works in larger cities. When I can, I also have used pointbreaks and I’ll keep doing that. But a lot of places I visit – small towns in Europe and Asia – don’t have chain hotels, (accor hotels Ibis is in some of the smaller towns) so I end up just looking for the best value.
I also like staying in family run hotels which is more local and character, more interesting, most often cheaper, more likely meet more people even if you risk a bad night now and then.
I guess that I am not yet convinced that for a leisure traveler that paying a higher price for a chain hotel is worth it even when earning 10-15 points times dollar spent. I do see the value when there are promotions.
Anyway, I am open minded and I have already learned some new tricks from you and I am sure I will learn a few more.
Yea, I can usually justify paying to earn points in big promotions (like big win). But honestly, I love those small family hotels more. Can’t wait to get back to Asia in small beach towns and rural communities!
I don’t think you’d come out ahead if you just picked a hotel in your town. Although there are benefits, like having a cleaning lady. :-p But, if you can chase promotions and deals, I think it comes out ahead. So unfortunately, recreating exactly what we do is only possible for nomads, but I hope it still shows a lot of good concepts
Plus, I’m learning a lot myself. 😀
Oh wow, this is big news. I am looking forward to reading about your adventure. My husband and I have been traveling the past 7 months and used miles for all our long-haul flights (some in business) but we are no where near being able to cover every single day. I can learn a lot from you. Thanks for what you do and have fun!!
Awesome, fellow nomads! Maybe we’ll run into each other sometime.
I hope it’s useful!
Of course, I love it already! I did this with couponing for a while for the people that did not believe you could buy food for an average of $50 a week for a family of 4. 🙂 Many blessings to you both on your adventure! I hope you make a go of it! I will do another post on my blog to hook up with you…I think it is awesome! 🙂
Thanks for your support Erin. Yea, I think it has a possibility to give credibility to the hobby, more than just promoting promotions. Ya know? People can see how we spend more nights with points than anything else.
Love, love, love this idea!! I wish I had thought of it. 🙂 I’m looking forward to reading much more. Best wishes for much success.
😀 Glad you love it. I hope it lives up to the expectations. But if you have any suggestions for how to total things up and to view things, let us know.
Drew
Hi Drew,
I emailed you a couple of days ago about IHG and possibly receiving some of the back-issues of the newsletter. I just wanted to make sure you received it (my email is acting up a bit at the moment.
Cheers,
Joe
PS – VERY interested to see how this experiment works out, I absolutely love the transparency. So many bloggers seem to just treat fuel surcharges etc as if they are trivial, when for many people they really aren’t!
Sent you an email Joe. Sorry for the delay, have quite a lot of emails at the moment.
I’m very glad to hear that other people feel the same way. For me fuel surcharges are huge. I’ve gotten excited about routes and not booked because the route I threw together came out to $1,000. $1k is a lot of me period, but it’s insane for me to think that’s how I’m redeeming points.
Anyways :-p Thanks for reading Joe! Hope to see you around here more often. 😉
I too would be interested in back issues of your newsletter!
I’m trying to work out a system at the moment. Hopefully we’ll have a solution sooner rather than later.
Got your email – thanks!
Will certainly stick around and post if I’ve got something interesting/useful to add!
Great to hear.
Great blog and looking forward to follow your adventures! We’re doing something similar with working remotely and travels the world using House Sitting, Couchsurfing, AirBNB and now started to buy points for flights to travel Business class cheap. We’re from Sweden/NZ so we do stuggle with the free flights and extreamly limited credit card benefits. Was great to discover your blog and the IHG benefits though, thanks for that! Booked a few nights to rack up a bunch up points to use throughout next years travel. Seems like we might miss out on some good deals for the next month, fingers crossed for some good deals still available in mid November.
Safe travels and hope we get to meet up somewhere around the world!
More nomads! Great.
That would great. We’re in UK now but we kind of go all over. Shout out on twitter so I can follow back? Anyways, thanks for reading! I hope the site can be a resource for non-credit card folks too!
Drew
I do follow you @travelscometrue. I am still to get more active, getting there.. but please do add me though! So far I’ve learnt pleanty about the hotel points, hopefully we meet up somewhere on a pointbreak! Keep up the good work! Jen
Following. lol, yea hopefully. I think PointBreaks is a great way to meet other points collectors lol.
I guess the main difference is most people choose a destination first and then start planning how to go there.
It seems like you choose a cheap hotel first (PointBreaks, whatever) and go there. If I had unlimited time I would like to kill by traveling, that could work. But I have limited time off and I want to see something special I have always been dreaming about. I honestly feel my approach is not gonna work on the 20G budget… Would love to be proven wrong…
Well, it’s a bit of both for us. Like we flew into Zakynthos, Greece because I wanted to go. No points hotels that I knew of, just a beautiful island.
We headed up to Berlin – true, because we had a mistake fare. And then Hamburg… But then decided we’d rather go to Austria. So we ditched the mistake fare and booked the Radisson Blu in Salzburg and bought a ticket. After a few weeks, we decided to go to Kiev on PointBreaks.
Now we’re in the UK… although, admittedly blowing money on my mum (but worth it). So it’s a mix. Ultimately, we only go where we want… but that’s a long list.
Aloha,
We’re on Molokai and as we kayaked this morning to the sunrise we actually thought of you Sorry you couldn’t make it but we made some new friends this trip and they are something like us only travel more! Like the idea of this blog and will be checking it frequently. We just decided that after Almalfi next month we are going to Bankok. Using your pointers we found a 75,000 mile first class ticket there with stops in Japan, China and on the return in Seoul. Four trips in one. Life is Great! Thanks for the pointers!!!
Thanks Andrew. I’m seriously dreaming of some Kayaking in Hawaii right about now. I could use a week or two of that. :-p
Great to hear about the big trip. Maybe we’ll cross paths in Asia.
Drew
This is amazing! I am looking forward to reading this. this is a really cool and unique thing to do, and I think your awesome for doing it!
😉 Thanks Josh. Very encouraging for both of us to hear this!
Drew
I’ve thought about selling off most of my possessions and not having a ‘home’. I work a 2 week on 2 week off schedule so it’s doable just not sure how long I could sustain the constant traveling.
Do you have to be in a certain city during those two weeks? Thus do you mean you would fly out for two weeks, come back and live in a hotel two weeks? Or is it a nomadic option?
If you love travel, it’s awesome. The constant planning (not that we plan… I guess I mean hotel booking) gets a little old. But totally doable.